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Who do you think will win the 2018 FIFA World Cup?

Poll ended at Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:48 am

Uruguay
0
No votes
France
7
41%
Brazil
3
18%
Belgium
2
12%
Sweden
0
No votes
England
1
6%
Russia
1
6%
Croatia
3
18%
 
Total votes : 17

Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby MaCk0y » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:03 pm

aterford wrote:That was a HECTIC ending there!

Unless I'm missing something, pretty sure it went down as follows...
Spain loses 1-2 and Portugal wins 1-0 means Portugal #1 and Spain #2.
Then Spain levels but is ruled out for offside...during VAR review, Iran scores to draw Portugal which sees them leapfrog Spain into 2nd place - meaning Spain are out, Portugal 1st.
Then...VAR overturns call. Goal is given to Spain, 2-2 draw - sees Spain jump back ahead of Iran AND ahead of Portugal into first place.
So in the span of ~3 minutes they went from 2nd place in group, to eliminated for placing 3rd, to 1st place - now playing Russia instead of Uruguay it seems


Even if Spain lost 2-1, they would still progress with more goals scored. Iran had to win.
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby aterford » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:06 pm

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swarkzero wrote:If Germany manages to top the group,they have a clear way to the final.


How on earth should that happen? Becoming runners up is the best we can hope for...


Still theoretically possible. a 1-0 win for Germany and Sweden would see Germany top group AFAIK...ahead of that, I'm pretty sure if both teams win (Germany and Sweden), so long as Germany wins by a greater margin than Sweden they should top group (i.e. a 3-1 win for Germany and a 2-1 win for Sweden would see Germany first, 4-2 and 3-2, etc)
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby archymen » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:17 pm

If Germany win 1:0 and Sweden win 1:0, then all 3 teams have 6 points and GF 3 / GA 2

In this case 1st, 2nd and 3rd place will be decided by yellow/red cards. Cards so far:

Germany - 2 yellow and 1 secondary yellow/red
Mexico - 2 yellow
Sweden - 3 yellow

So it means -1 point for each yellow card, -3 points for indirect red card, -4 for a direct red card AAAANNNDDD -5 for a yellow followed by a direct red card.
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:18 pm

MaCk0y wrote:
aterford wrote:That was a HECTIC ending there!

Unless I'm missing something, pretty sure it went down as follows...
Spain loses 1-2 and Portugal wins 1-0 means Portugal #1 and Spain #2.
Then Spain levels but is ruled out for offside...during VAR review, Iran scores to draw Portugal which sees them leapfrog Spain into 2nd place - meaning Spain are out, Portugal 1st.
Then...VAR overturns call. Goal is given to Spain, 2-2 draw - sees Spain jump back ahead of Iran AND ahead of Portugal into first place.
So in the span of ~3 minutes they went from 2nd place in group, to eliminated for placing 3rd, to 1st place - now playing Russia instead of Uruguay it seems


Even if Spain lost 2-1, they would still progress with more goals scored. Iran had to win.


Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Spain decision happened before Iran scored.
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby aterford » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:33 pm

archymen wrote:If Germany win 1:0 and Sweden win 1:0, then all 3 teams have 6 points and GF 3 / GA 2

In this case 1st, 2nd and 3rd place will be decided by yellow/red cards. Cards so far:

Germany - 2 yellow and 1 secondary yellow/red
Mexico - 2 yellow
Sweden - 3 yellow

So it means -1 point for each yellow card, -3 points for indirect red card, -4 for a direct red card AAAANNNDDD -5 for a yellow followed by a direct red card.


Cards/"Fair play" is 7th tiebreaker. It would be determined before that.

Theoretically, both Germany and Sweden win 1-0.

1. Points - all three of Germany, Mexico, and Sweden would be level on 6 pts.
2. Overall goal differential - all three would have same GD of +1
3. Overall goals scored - all three level at 3 scored
4. Points obtained in group matches between teams tied - Germany has 3pts from tied teams (0 from Mexico, 3 from Sweden, 3 from S. Korea not considered); Sweden has 3pts (0 from Germany, 3 from Mexico); Mexico has 3pts (3 from Germany, 0 from Sweden)
5. Goal differential in matches between teams tied - Germany -1 vs Mexico and +1 vs Sweden; Mexico +1 vs Germany and -1 vs Sweden; Sweden -1 vs Germany and +1 vs Mexico
6. Goals scored in matches between tied teams - here would be first determining factor. In matches between Sweden/Germany/Mexico, Germany has 2 goals vs Sweden; Mexico has 1 goal vs Germany, and Sweden has 1 vs Germany and 1 vs Mexico (again, this is all assuming 1-0 for both Germany and Sweden). In this case, Mexico would 'lose' this tiebreaker and be given 3rd place. Germany and Sweden would advance.
From here, tiebreakers would then reset from the top, with only Germany and Sweden considered. Tiebreakers 1-3 would still be the same, but as Germany beat Sweden head-to-head, they would be given the top spot
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby Outis » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:36 pm

Didn't Quaresma deserve a red? His face was pure agression...
And VAR in this game was used to waste Iran's time apparently :mrgreen:
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby YlonenXabi » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:49 pm

If Germany win 1-0, what needs to happen for them to be eliminated?

I read that if Germany win 2-0 they will qualify regardless of what happens in the Mexico vs Sweden game, but from what aterford posted it seems that even a 1-0 win would be enough?
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:04 am

YlonenXabi wrote:If Germany win 1-0, what needs to happen for them to be eliminated?

I read that if Germany win 2-0 they will qualify regardless of what happens in the Mexico vs Sweden game, but from what aterford posted it seems that even a 1-0 win would be enough?


I think this is in fact correct.
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby aterford » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:50 am

YlonenXabi wrote:If Germany win 1-0, what needs to happen for them to be eliminated?

I read that if Germany win 2-0 they will qualify regardless of what happens in the Mexico vs Sweden game, but from what aterford posted it seems that even a 1-0 win would be enough?


I haven't thought it out much, so just putting it down as I go, but....

Assuming Germany wins 1-0...
Then they will be on 6 pts.
Depending on how Mexico-Sweden goes, we could see Mexico end up with 6, 7, or 9, and Sweden could finish with 3, 4, or 6. So any result that leads to Sweden winning will go to tiebreakers.

Basically, the short of it is this.
- A win guarantees Germany advance regardless of the result of the Mexico-Sweden game.
- If Mexico wins and Germany wins, Mexico wins group with 9 and Germany finishes 2nd with 6; Sweden 3 and S. Korea 0.
- If Sweden wins and Germany wins, all three teams are level on 6 pts and we go to the previously mentioned tiebreakers. If the Sweden match ends 1-0 in favor of Sweden, the above described scenario (my previous post) would be what would happen here. However, since the first tiebreaker after points is goal differential AND they're all level on GD with two 1-0 wins -- a 1-0 win for Germany and any other margin of victory serves to improve Sweden's goal differential and damage Mexico's. So Sweden can win by any margin and Germany will still advance due to this. For example, a 3-0 Sweden win would put Sweden at +3, Germany at +1, and Mexico at -1. 4-0 makes it +4 Sweden, -2 Mexico - and so on.

- So, knowing a win is enough to guarantee Germany is through, the next issue is placement - first or second.
In this regard, any identical margin of victory (both win 2-0, both win 3-1, etc) sees Germany top the group. This is for two reasons: first off, they're tied on Goal differential ahead of this match. So any identical result will see them maintain the same goal differentials.
At this point, it would again go through tiebreakers. In this scenario (identical winning results) we would have to go through to tiebreaker 4 - head to head. With identical winning scorelines, Germany takes first due to 3pts claimed vs Sweden whereas Sweden earned 0 pts vs Germany.

And so it follows: an identical margin of victory or any winning match in which Germany's margin of victory is greater than Sweden's will see Germany top the group. If both teams win but Sweden wins by a greater margin than Germany, Sweden will top the group, but Germany are still through.
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby MaCk0y » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:49 am

Watch the Russian no.4 player. He illegally pushes the 2 Uruguayan players out of the way, helping Suarez in the process. If he stayed there, he would probably have blocked the shot.

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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:51 am

He either did that to help the Keeper's view or else he was in the bag!

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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:49 am

World Cup breaks record for most penalties awarded
Ronaldo and Messi among players who missed from the spot [source]


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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby MaCk0y » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:45 pm

I think the reason behind the record breaking penalties in this world cup is that players with no experience playing with VAR, still need to adapt to it and thus still risk fouling in the penalty area thinking they will get away with it.
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:49 pm

Wtf @ the ref in Denmark-France. Very good counterattack stopped by a foul and he whistled for half time before letting France take the free kick. Incredibly unfair.
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Postby aterford » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:53 pm

Probably the most boring match I've watched thus far lol
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