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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Ed. » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:47 am

Jorge wrote:If Thiago's mark on the field for Bayern was that big there was no need to over analyze numbers, we do not do it for Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Neuer, Bastian............


Completely agree with this statement.

Stats and numbers may tell us Thiago plays a very vital role when he is in the XI and for me he get's into the first XI AM/M position without dispute. As Jorge pointed out however, the instances where one can remember him taking a game by the scruff of the neck are few and far in between.

I never though much of Xavi but comparisons to Iniesta were clearly unfounded. Thiago maybe as skillful but Iniesta had that deceptive burst of speed that allowed him to create space where there seemed to be none. This is Thiago's problem when playing AM and he find himself on the wings which will happen sometimes when you play AM. I think we get the best out of Thiago when he plays at the top of midfield in a 4-3-3 and the front 3 has 2 players with speed on the wings.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby aterford » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:24 pm

Once again we find that stats are only useful when they support one's own side of the debate.

Stats show Thiago is poor in big games "See I told you he doesn't perform when it counts"
Stats show Thiago plays well in big games "I don't need numbers to tell me what my eyes see"
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby MUTU » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:35 pm

aterford wrote:Once again we find that stats are only useful when they support one's own side of the debate.

Stats show Thiago is poor in big games "See I told you he doesn't perform when it counts"
Stats show Thiago plays well in big games "I don't need numbers to tell me what my eyes see"

But Jorge brought a very, very, very important point.

Let me encapsulate what he said... while a number of Bayern fans remain skeptical of a player's performances and others have to resort to stats to back up arguments that he's great, it shows that the truth is somewhere in the middle. When was the last time you saw someone having to show how well Neuer or Lahm performed to prove they're good?

Now, you see, I'm arguing this now while fully aware it blows my Mario Gomez theories and statistics completely out of the water, but Jorge's argument is so damn solid that I have to admit it: he is right. Oh, and Mario Gomez was probably not as good as I claimed :-({|=

PS: for the record, I think Thiago has the potential to be by far our best outfield player, but I think injuries and inconsistencies have so far stopped him from convincing the fans that he _is_ our best outfield player.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Jorge » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:07 pm

MUTU wrote:
Now, you see, I'm arguing this now while fully aware it blows my Mario Gomez theories and statistics completely out of the water, but Jorge's argument is so damn solid that I have to admit it: he is right. Oh, and Mario Gomez was probably not as good as I claimed :-({|=


Although for strikers the algorithm is different, scoring goals is a very measurable stat: the player scored or did not score, and from what I read you have limited your Mario Gomez stats to just that. A striker can float around for almost 90 minutes without touching the ball but if he gets it on the back of the net consistently who cares about the rest.

The problem with the stats trying to prove how above average Thiago is: I am saying that I enjoy having the 4 seasons and the stats presented prove to me that there is a way to calculate why it takes for the earth 365.256 days to orbit the sun and it's been done. What do I care when I am trying to enjoy the change of color outside?

The stats that were posted did not prove what I questioned: that Thiago's best games has not been Bayern or Spain's biggest games, it proves that Thiago had good stats in some big games but still those were not his best games which were intentionally left out.

Now that we brought Gomez into the mix, let me paraphrase Hoeness when he described Gomez and apply it to Thiago: "He has been good, but not great" If so, we wouldn't be analyzing stats (the last part is mine).
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Roonzil » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:11 pm

Why are we doing this in the transfer thread?
She’s beauty, she’s grace, if u tell her she only watches football for the attractive players she’ll punch u in the face.

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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby MUTU » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:24 pm

Roonzil wrote:Why are we doing this in the transfer thread?
Just to give you a scare :)
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby tflags » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:26 pm

MUTU wrote:When was the last time you saw someone having to show how well Neuer or Lahm performed to prove they're good?


"Müller is just a German player. When Thiago sits on the bench, nobody in Germany cares. But if Müller sits on the bench, that's almost a political issue. "

- Omar Hitzfeld, October 2017.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby OhioFan » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:31 am

tflags wrote:
MUTU wrote:When was the last time you saw someone having to show how well Neuer or Lahm performed to prove they're good?


"Müller is just a German player. When Thiago sits on the bench, nobody in Germany cares. But if Müller sits on the bench, that's almost a political issue. "

- Omar Hitzfeld, October 2017.

It is called being biased. :mrgreen:


I don't call that biased, it is just the facts.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby tflags » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:44 am

Nonetheless it was a harsh comment. I take it back. :oops:
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby aterford » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:01 pm

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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby OhioFan » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:28 pm

No speekee espanyol.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby aterford » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:38 pm

OhioFan wrote:No speekee espanyol.

It basically says to the effect of "we've got an exclusive scoop about a player who wants to return to Barca. His name: Thiago Alcantara"
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby tflags » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:54 pm

OhioFan wrote:No speekee espanyol.
Neither did the author. It was Catalan.


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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby #12 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:28 am

Not to say I don’t like Thiago... But for 200m, they can have him
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Oggy121 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:45 am

#12 wrote:Not to say I don’t like Thiago... But for 200m, they can have him

I prefer dembele + 95m
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