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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby GoatHCW » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:37 pm

Machiavellico wrote:The second he was dropped from the starting team and replaced with Javi, the team's game improved.

Because Javi is a true CDM/#6 and Goretzka isn't................
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby #12 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:58 pm

Fénix wrote:I like the attitude, Renato! If it doesn't work, then transfer and bye. He's waited for so long and lost 3 years of life for literally nothing except the experience of training with top players in a top club.


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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby #12 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:59 pm

GoatHCW wrote:
Machiavellico wrote:The second he was dropped from the starting team and replaced with Javi, the team's game improved.

Because Javi is a true soccer player and Goretzka isn't................


Fixed it for you...
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby Jorge » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:33 am

GoatHCW wrote:Because Javi is a true CDM/#6 and Goretzka isn't................


Many true CDM were not one before they became one. Javi Martinez is the worst example that you can use: Javi was more a box to box #8 in his early days at Athletic Bilbao, then moved deeper into midfield out of necessity, then Bielsa started using him as a Center Back. Even Guardiola always saw him as a CB but I admit that at his prime, used in the right tactical formation he was an outstanding CDM.
Goretzka's skillset actually reminds me a lot a young Martinez, so I do not discount him growing in that position if there is a need for it. At his age (24) he still can go in different directions. As a clear reference, Bastian Schweinsteiger was an excellent left back in his youth, then an even better winger before settling as a central midfielder.
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby Firefox1234 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:09 pm

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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby OhioFan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:15 am

Can you blame him?
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby Paphlagonian » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:36 pm

Another loan? He's way beyond that. Almost 22.
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby zozon » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:43 pm

Since when age is a sign that a player is too OLD for a loan? Hell, James was on loan here :roll:

Lahm was at Stuttgart at 22.
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby Jorge » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:33 pm

zozon wrote:Since when age is a sign that a player is too OLD for a loan?


Interesting point: can we loan 67 year old Uli Hoeneß then? :oops:
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby MUTU » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:58 pm

Jorge wrote:
zozon wrote:Since when age is a sign that a player is too OLD for a loan?


Interesting point: can we loan 67 year old Uli Hoeneß then? :oops:

Didn't we already loan him to Landsberg a few years ago? ;)
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby IsiahRashad » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:49 pm

Can't see tweet? Click here!

Very satisfied ?!? So that's the reason why he didn't left the bench all season long ?
Comeone man, at least get better at lying.

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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby #12 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:06 pm

MUTU wrote:
Jorge wrote:
zozon wrote:Since when age is a sign that a player is too OLD for a loan?


Interesting point: can we loan 67 year old Uli Hoeneß then? :oops:

Didn't we already loan him to Landsberg a few years ago? ;)


Unfortunately, they had an option to send him back early, and they gladly took it: he brought down their team just as fast...
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby #12 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:08 pm

IsiahRashad wrote: Can't see tweet? Click here!

Very satisfied ?!? So that's the reason why he didn't left the bench all season long ?
Comeone man, at least get better at lying.

:roll:


They don’t have to be, their disciples will lick their boots regardless...
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby Paphlagonian » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:34 pm

zozon wrote:Since when age is a sign that a player is too OLD for a loan? Hell, James was on loan here :roll:

Lahm was at Stuttgart at 22.


We "loaned" James because we didn't want to splash cash and Real didn't need James so not all loans got the same mentality behind. Ours again to develop this kid which I believe something he's already beyond. 22 was young back Lahm's era maybe but back then then players usually peaked around 28-29 now it went even lower. Players usually peak at their 26s especially if they play at that club from the young age.
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Re: Renato Sanches [Renato Júnior Luz Sanches]

Postby Jorge » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:11 am

Paphlagonian wrote:
zozon wrote:Since when age is a sign that a player is too OLD for a loan? Hell, James was on loan here :roll:
Lahm was at Stuttgart at 22.

back then players usually peaked around 28-29 now it went even lower. Players usually peak at their 26s especially if they play at that club from the young age.

I am not sure about this, historically it has been the same for the last 20-30 years, or even longer. Goalkeepers and defenders usually peak a little later, I wouldn't push the age too close to 30 though, because what they gain on experience they start to lose it on pace and reflexes, across the board the ideal peak age in my opinion remain steady in the mid 20's. Like 24-26, if you want to be more inclusive 23-27.
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