Effenberg777 wrote:i dont want to imagine a injury of lewa and muller. we are not any better than others
And one day they might vanish from the scenegumboduncan wrote:A lot of posters seem to have forgotten our history regarding transfers. We have never been close to the biggest spenders, yet we have been one of the most successful clubs in Europe during the last decade. Let Man City, Chelsea and PSG spend their oil money all they want. They spent big but they also spend stupid. They overpay for almost every player. Bayern has a great reputation among other clubs and experts in the transfer market. We have regularly signed quality players for free or at a very reasonable prices. Of course we've also bought players that haven't worked out for us but that's of course expected. Why should we abandon our transfer policy that has brought us so much success just because we started this season below our expectations? It's early October and we could still easily win the Bundesliga and the Pokal. Lets judge this season in May.
I'm really proud to support a club that's operated like a business. We make a profit every year and have a sustainable model. Clubs like Man City, Chelsea and PSG do not have that.
Achilles wrote:Effenberg777 wrote:i dont want to imagine a injury of lewa and muller. we are not any better than others
Yeah, Suarez wanted to be in our bench but we failed to agree in wages, what a shame.
gumboduncan wrote:A lot of posters seem to have forgotten our history regarding transfers. We have never been close to the biggest spenders, yet we have been one of the most successful clubs in Europe during the last decade. Let Man City, Chelsea and PSG spend their oil money all they want. They spent big but they also spend stupid. They overpay for almost every player. Bayern has a great reputation among other clubs and experts in the transfer market. We have regularly signed quality players for free or at a very reasonable prices. Of course we've also bought players that haven't worked out for us but that's of course expected. Why should we abandon our transfer policy that has brought us so much success just because we started this season below our expectations? It's early October and we could still easily win the Bundesliga and the Pokal. Lets judge this season in May.
I'm really proud to support a club that's operated like a business. We make a profit every year and have a sustainable model. Clubs like Man City, Chelsea and PSG do not have that.
Achilles wrote:Effenberg777 wrote:i dont want to imagine a injury of lewa and muller. we are not any better than others
Yeah, Suarez wanted to be in our bench but we failed to agree in wages, what a shame.
There's just one problem with your argument (which is a pretty common misconception amongst Bayern fans)... That a) the oil clubs are no longer spending stupidly (thanks to actual capable coaches) and that we're no longer spending wisely... Look at the last few years... Shitty got KDB, Sané, Sterling, Gabriel Jesus... PSG got Neymar and Mbappe... United got Mhkitaryan, Pogba, and Matic... We got Douglas Costa.gumboduncan wrote:A lot of posters seem to have forgotten our history regarding transfers. We have never been close to the biggest spenders, yet we have been one of the most successful clubs in Europe during the last decade. Let Man City, Chelsea and PSG spend their oil money all they want. They spent big but they also spend stupid. They overpay for almost every player. Bayern has a great reputation among other clubs and experts in the transfer market. We have regularly signed quality players for free or at a very reasonable prices. Of course we've also bought players that haven't worked out for us but that's of course expected. Why should we abandon our transfer policy that has brought us so much success just because we started this season below our expectations? It's early October and we could still easily win the Bundesliga and the Pokal. Lets judge this season in May.
I'm really proud to support a club that's operated like a business. We make a profit every year and have a sustainable model. Clubs like Man City, Chelsea and PSG do not have that.
PunkCapitalist wrote:There's just one problem with your argument (which is a pretty common misconception amongst Bayern fans)... That a) the oil clubs are no longer spending stupidly (thanks to actual capable coaches) and that we're no longer spending wisely... Look at the last few years... Shitty got KDB, Sané, Sterling, Gabriel Jesus... PSG got Neymar and Mbappe... United got Mhkitaryan, Pogba, and Matic... We got Douglas Costa.gumboduncan wrote:A lot of posters seem to have forgotten our history regarding transfers. We have never been close to the biggest spenders, yet we have been one of the most successful clubs in Europe during the last decade. Let Man City, Chelsea and PSG spend their oil money all they want. They spent big but they also spend stupid. They overpay for almost every player. Bayern has a great reputation among other clubs and experts in the transfer market. We have regularly signed quality players for free or at a very reasonable prices. Of course we've also bought players that haven't worked out for us but that's of course expected. Why should we abandon our transfer policy that has brought us so much success just because we started this season below our expectations? It's early October and we could still easily win the Bundesliga and the Pokal. Lets judge this season in May.
I'm really proud to support a club that's operated like a business. We make a profit every year and have a sustainable model. Clubs like Man City, Chelsea and PSG do not have that.
Ok, fine, we also got James, Hummels and Süle... But the point remains, we're still without a viable LW or backup striker and got two unnecessary midfielders (Renato and Tolisso) for big time prices. Whenever we've spent, we spent stupidly. Whenever the oily clubs have (over)spent they done so for worthy players.
We have no squad planning. Our transfer policy has pretty much become literally bargain hunting/opportunity buys (Lewy, Hummels, Coman, James, Rudy) and overspending on mediocre or unnecessary players (Costa, Tolisso). No regards for what the actual squad needs.
To further elaborate on my point and partially complement/answer Jorge's; there is space for some moderate spending and also opportunity buys. The problem is our moderate spending has been woefully misguided and we also should up a bit our upper spending limit. Our opportunity buys have been mostly great, sure, but that still leaves us with an incomplete squad. With this I mean; we should have gotten one of KDB, Sané or Alexis for a fee in the 35-55 region, and we SHOULDNT have gotten Costa and Tolisso for fees in the same region...
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To years ago Ribery was already 32-33 and clearly on the decline. If the board refused to sign someone because of him, they should be sacked immediately. It was not, though... It's because of penny pinching and thinking they could get top quality for under market prices (Costa!) and also because they failed to properly asses Götze.gumboduncan wrote:PunkCapitalist wrote:There's just one problem with your argument (which is a pretty common misconception amongst Bayern fans)... That a) the oil clubs are no longer spending stupidly (thanks to actual capable coaches) and that we're no longer spending wisely... Look at the last few years... Shitty got KDB, Sané, Sterling, Gabriel Jesus... PSG got Neymar and Mbappe... United got Mhkitaryan, Pogba, and Matic... We got Douglas Costa.gumboduncan wrote:A lot of posters seem to have forgotten our history regarding transfers. We have never been close to the biggest spenders, yet we have been one of the most successful clubs in Europe during the last decade. Let Man City, Chelsea and PSG spend their oil money all they want. They spent big but they also spend stupid. They overpay for almost every player. Bayern has a great reputation among other clubs and experts in the transfer market. We have regularly signed quality players for free or at a very reasonable prices. Of course we've also bought players that haven't worked out for us but that's of course expected. Why should we abandon our transfer policy that has brought us so much success just because we started this season below our expectations? It's early October and we could still easily win the Bundesliga and the Pokal. Lets judge this season in May.
I'm really proud to support a club that's operated like a business. We make a profit every year and have a sustainable model. Clubs like Man City, Chelsea and PSG do not have that.
Ok, fine, we also got James, Hummels and Süle... But the point remains, we're still without a viable LW or backup striker and got two unnecessary midfielders (Renato and Tolisso) for big time prices. Whenever we've spent, we spent stupidly. Whenever the oily clubs have (over)spent they done so for worthy players.
We have no squad planning. Our transfer policy has pretty much become literally bargain hunting/opportunity buys (Lewy, Hummels, Coman, James, Rudy) and overspending on mediocre or unnecessary players (Costa, Tolisso). No regards for what the actual squad needs.
To further elaborate on my point and partially complement/answer Jorge's; there is space for some moderate spending and also opportunity buys. The problem is our moderate spending has been woefully misguided and we also should up a bit our upper spending limit. Our opportunity buys have been mostly great, sure, but that still leaves us with an incomplete squad. With this I mean; we should have gotten one of KDB, Sané or Alexis for a fee in the 35-55 region, and we SHOULDNT have gotten Costa and Tolisso for fees in the same region...
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Of course Bayern will have to spend more in the future. That's just the law of the game, just like wages will go up in the future. But, it's not like Byern haven't spend big. We've spent a lot on players like Hummels (35 million) and he was entering the last years on his contract. IMO that was a buy that our board just wanted regardless of his price tag. We also spent 28 million on Coman. IMO that was a good buy especially in today's market. Now he only needs to live up to his price tag (will have a chance now since Ribery is out). James as well. Reportedly we will spent around 50 million on him after his loan deal ends. That will be a good deal if he lives up to his potential. And of course Tolisso. Now I have mentioned few players that our board have bought for a lot of money, but also IMO they are all smart buys.
Regarding Kevin de Bruyne. I'm still a bit pissed that we didn't just go out and spend big on him. But, let's not forget that in 2015 we had Ribery and Robben and they were better and a bit younger back then. I know it's only two years ago but the board was never going to replace either one of them back then. And de Bruyne was not going to sign here to split the playing time with Robben or Ribery. Or splitting time with Muller since that is his new position at City.
Next summer we need to replace Robben and Ribery. We all know that. I'm sure our board will spend big since wingers tend to be expensive. Let's wait and see.
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