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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby zozon » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:34 pm

Lol, what a burn by MUTU :lol: :D
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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby 1911 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:31 pm

Aequitas1987 wrote:I honestly don't understand that with Davies prominence why we are not looking at Alaba as a midfield option over Kimmich, I think he fits the characteristics of a dynamic box to box MDF way more than Kimmich


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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby IsiahRashad » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:59 pm

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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby Machiavellico » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:22 am

1911 wrote:
Aequitas1987 wrote:I honestly don't understand that with Davies prominence why we are not looking at Alaba as a midfield option over Kimmich, I think he fits the characteristics of a dynamic box to box MDF way more than Kimmich


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I know many would like to think so, but Alaba is not a good passer. Certainly not as good as Kimmich. Yes, he has generally better defensive skills and a more dangerous shot, but Kimmich outshines Alaba when it comes to passing. Kimmich has pulled a ridiculous number of assists and crazy passes, either as a RB or as a CDM, whereas I think we all know how many times a game Alaba used to bin his crosses all over to the other side of the pitch.
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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby 1911 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:46 am

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1911 wrote:
Aequitas1987 wrote:I honestly don't understand that with Davies prominence why we are not looking at Alaba as a midfield option over Kimmich, I think he fits the characteristics of a dynamic box to box MDF way more than Kimmich


This 100%


I know many would like to think so, but Alaba is not a good passer. Certainly not as good as Kimmich. Yes, he has generally better defensive skills and a more dangerous shot, but Kimmich outshines Alaba when it comes to passing. Kimmich has pulled a ridiculous number of assists and crazy passes, either as a RB or as a CDM, whereas I think we all know how many times a game Alaba used to bin his crosses all over to the other side of the pitch.


Kimmich is a better crosser and short passer in the final third. Alaba is far superior in ball retention and starting the attack, just as he’s been showing at CB. Not to mention his superior defense and mobility. Kimmich gets harried off the ball and makes too many errors at the #6. His skill set is best used at RB or at #8.
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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby Aequitas1987 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:55 am

I thought we are looking for a prototype CDM of sorts who gives an extra layer of protection to our back line, presses hard, intercepts and restarts attacks.

Alabas passing range is not poor, its worse than Kimmichs for sure but by no means is it poor. More importantly he is a better presser, he is quicker at pressing, he is better at winning the ball and starting attacks and he can dribble out of small tight spaces better than Kimmich.

We have Thiago for all our distribution needs currently and Alaba is definitely a better passer than Goretzka or Tolisso.

Under Flick, who sees Kimmich as a CDM is why this debate is happening and by his own philosophies I believe Alaba can do much more for his press and turnovers than Kimmich.

My opinion is that if we were not plagued with defensive injuries, we would have seen from Flick the experiment of Alaba in midfield

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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby Aequitas1987 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:59 am

IsiahRashad wrote: Can't see tweet? Click here!
Back on topic as much as I am a fan of being German focused and having a German core etc. I really do not find Klosterman special at all, I think Cancelo is a far better fit.


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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby xevi » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:52 pm

If we talk about style I don't think it's a factor having a non german RB and if we have a clearly better one available than klostermann we should get it but on loan.
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Anyway on summer I wouldn't spend much on a RB as pavard and kimmich will be there and now they just want to wait for a new coach that decides where kimmich will play.

Also it's like a choice also considering sane and havertz maybe the main focus:
A rb like cancelo and kimmich as DM
Or
Kmmich as RB with a 35-40M DM to see if he goes with the style and has enough quality also playing with a new comer havertz. I don't know.

We need a RB/DM, a CB, havertz and sane. A one year and a half loan of cancelo would be the best. Of course city won't accept that but I wouldn't invest 40-50M or more for a 25 nearly 26 yo Rb as we need havertz and sane mostly and all money will go for them. I would pay for a very good DM but investing money on a RB? We have four FB on pavard (that plays in two positions), kimmich, alaba and davies for very cheap. I mean FB isn't so important position. I think it's more intelligent get players on loan here that on wingers and "stars" of the team a la coutinho or james where the team never gets stablished.

The same it goes for the cb that bayern need. With a max 24 years old CBsand with pavard, sule, lucas and mai it makes no sense spending much money for getting one as they don't want to get a better one than sule or lucas.

A rb and a cb on loan would be the best if we need to make sure we get havertz and sane. Also we have two players on loan so It's not crazy. Spend just if we get a very good DM.
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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby #12 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:06 pm

Erm... Süle is on his way to be the next Badstuber, Hernandez seems very injury prone as well...
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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:03 pm

Aequitas1987 wrote:I thought we are looking for a prototype CDM of sorts who gives an extra layer of protection to our back line, presses hard, intercepts and restarts attacks.

Alabas passing range is not poor, its worse than Kimmichs for sure but by no means is it poor. More importantly he is a better presser, he is quicker at pressing, he is better at winning the ball and starting attacks and he can dribble out of small tight spaces better than Kimmich.

We have Thiago for all our distribution needs currently and Alaba is definitely a better passer than Goretzka or Tolisso.

Under Flick, who sees Kimmich as a CDM is why this debate is happening and by his own philosophies I believe Alaba can do much more for his press and turnovers than Kimmich.

My opinion is that if we were not plagued with defensive injuries, we would have seen from Flick the experiment of Alaba in midfield

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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:06 pm

xevi wrote:If we talk about style I don't think it's a factor having a non german RB and if we have a clearly better one available than klostermann we should get it but on loan.
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Anyway on summer I wouldn't spend much on a RB as pavard and kimmich will be there and now they just want to wait for a new coach that decides where kimmich will play.

Also it's like a choice also considering sane and havertz maybe the main focus:
A rb like cancelo and kimmich as DM
Or
Kmmich as RB with a 35-40M DM to see if he goes with the style and has enough quality also playing with a new comer havertz. I don't know.

We need a RB/DM, a CB, havertz and sane. A one year and a half loan of cancelo would be the best. Of course city won't accept that but I wouldn't invest 40-50M or more for a 25 nearly 26 yo Rb as we need havertz and sane mostly and all money will go for them. I would pay for a very good DM but investing money on a RB? We have four FB on pavard (that plays in two positions), kimmich, alaba and davies for very cheap. I mean FB isn't so important position. I think it's more intelligent get players on loan here that on wingers and "stars" of the team a la coutinho or james where the team never gets stablished.

The same it goes for the cb that bayern need. With a max 24 years old CBsand with pavard, sule, lucas and mai it makes no sense spending much money for getting one as they don't want to get a better one than sule or lucas.

A rb and a cb on loan would be the best if we need to make sure we get havertz and sane. Also we have two players on loan so It's not crazy. Spend just if we get a very good DM.
1) No one should be counting Mai when counting our CBs.

2) Sule is crap.

3) Lucas has more than half a year here and he has played something like 3 games... At this point, he doesn't appear very reliable at all. We need another CB. A quality one.

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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:57 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
xevi wrote:If we talk about style I don't think it's a factor having a non german RB and if we have a clearly better one available than klostermann we should get it but on loan.
.

Anyway on summer I wouldn't spend much on a RB as pavard and kimmich will be there and now they just want to wait for a new coach that decides where kimmich will play.

Also it's like a choice also considering sane and havertz maybe the main focus:
A rb like cancelo and kimmich as DM
Or
Kmmich as RB with a 35-40M DM to see if he goes with the style and has enough quality also playing with a new comer havertz. I don't know.

We need a RB/DM, a CB, havertz and sane. A one year and a half loan of cancelo would be the best. Of course city won't accept that but I wouldn't invest 40-50M or more for a 25 nearly 26 yo Rb as we need havertz and sane mostly and all money will go for them. I would pay for a very good DM but investing money on a RB? We have four FB on pavard (that plays in two positions), kimmich, alaba and davies for very cheap. I mean FB isn't so important position. I think it's more intelligent get players on loan here that on wingers and "stars" of the team a la coutinho or james where the team never gets stablished.

The same it goes for the cb that bayern need. With a max 24 years old CBsand with pavard, sule, lucas and mai it makes no sense spending much money for getting one as they don't want to get a better one than sule or lucas.

A rb and a cb on loan would be the best if we need to make sure we get havertz and sane. Also we have two players on loan so It's not crazy. Spend just if we get a very good DM.
1) No one should be counting Mai when counting our CBs.

2) Sule is crap.

3) Lucas has more than half a year here and he has played something like 3 games... At this point, he doesn't appear very reliable at all. We need another CB. A quality one.

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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby #12 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:23 pm

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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby YlonenXabi » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:29 am

Wow! Did you really predict a Bayern player getting injured


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Re: João Cancelo [João Pedro Cavaco Cancelo]

Postby #12 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:23 am

YlonenXabi wrote:Wow! Did you really predict a Bayern player getting injured


Genius :lol:


I predicted THIS player to be a bad purchase and injury prone...
Also you can cut the poor little sacrificial lamb act: we're not even remotely close to being the side in the Bundesliga that is most struck by injuries... Actually, we're in the upper midfield...
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