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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Min » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:38 am

Aequitas1987 wrote:Could I have what you guys are smoking?

Let's take a break here and talk about sense. Who decided that Javi Martinez is considered a 'Classy' player? Does he have potential...probably, is he worth 40 million and a 'star' signing... definitely not! People who criticize the Bayern board for not spending money need to base their arguments in some sort of foundation. Our board is definately known to be frugal and I do criticize them for that a little bit. But more often than not when the going gets tough they do decide to come through with the goods. By no means is not trying to call out the buy out clause of this one Javi Martinez makes our board unfit to lead.

Like seriously...when did you guys start watching football? Do not buy into media hype and look at the player individually. Analyze our playstyle and ask the questions about what he brings to the tables ahead of our current squad? If you truly analyze the situation out of the media hype you would realize that the board is making a very justified decision in NOT spending 40 million in an unproven over-hyped young player.

He is excellent in the air, he is OK defensively (as CB not CDM), he is fairly quick but nothing spectacular and his distribution skills are very very over-rated. The argument about 'winning' personality...please I would rather the world ends in 2012 before German players have to rely on the Spanish to learn about winning.

The fact of the matter is that if Jupp would be willing to play a more rotation game he can get much better results than Martinez by playing Kroos against defensive teams who has > distribution and creativity than Martinez...and playing Gustavo in big games because he is a better true ball winner than Martinez.

Why do people seem to overlook the FACT that both Gustavo and Kroos are extremely young players with tonnes of potential. Gustavo has the potential to be one of the best CDM's in the world...in the mold of Essien at his best and Kroos still has a lot of ways to go but he could be the German Xavi if given time to develop.

I am all for being MAD at the board. I urge all of you to be mad at their frugality. But please do not provide retarded reasons like not buying Martinez. Choosing Manduzikic over Dzeko was a valid enough reason. Not buying a true LB was a valid enough reason. Not getting a real CAM is a valid enough reason but paying 40 million for Martinez unfortunately for any rational fan...is not a valid reason.


Well, let's say Martinez is not worth 40 mln. Yes, price is too high, I agree. The same I can say about Gustavo for whom we paid 20 mln - highly overpaid target, maximum worth of him is 10-12 mln. Since he is with us, he produced nothing special. One day he can play greatly, another day he fails. It is clear sign that he is not world class player. I do not talk about Tymo - he is our transfer failure. The same as Gomez, who is definitely not worth 35 mln.

The clear thing is Bilbao does not want to sell, and we want to buy. That is why they are overpricing him so much. When 4 years ago Real wanted Ribery from us, Hoeness refused to sell him even for 80 mln. Enough said. Football nowadays is business, and unfortunately for fans many things are decided by massive amounts of money. It is for team to decide whether they sell their leading players for massive amounts or for peanuts, or not selling at all.

Who decided that Martinez is world class? It is clear that he is international top player. Maybe some aspects he still got to improve. Somewhere in this thread earlier Gerhard Poschner in his interview to spox.com characterizes Martinez very well. Sammer two days ago in tz-online said that Martinez is 'excellent player and he would fit in Bayern very well'. Is he worth 40 mln? I do not think so. At the same time I think that making such a crazy transfer once in three-five years would not make Bayern any weakier financially. it would rather improve its' image abroad and strengthen its' position in international transfer markets significantly in all aspects (fan base, merchandizing, respect from other top teams and so on).
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:03 am

So Martinez is a clear top international player and Gustavo is not? I think Gustavo has proven much more than Martinez
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Min » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:22 am

FCBayernMunchen wrote:So Martinez is a clear top international player and Gustavo is not? I think Gustavo has proven much more than Martinez


How many international titles got Gustavo? Yes, he played much more games in Champions League than Martinez. At the same time his inconsistency, defensiveness, lack of leadership lead me to conclusion that he is not international top player.
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Paddymcfatty » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:27 am

FCBayernMunchen wrote:So Martinez is a clear top international player and Gustavo is not? I think Gustavo has proven much more than Martinez


If he is such a world-class player, then why is he not consistently in the Brazilian National team?

I admit though, when Gustavo wants to play like he did against Madrid, he is exceptional
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Element » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:29 am

Paddymcfatty wrote:
FCBayernMunchen wrote:So Martinez is a clear top international player and Gustavo is not? I think Gustavo has proven much more than Martinez


If he is such a world-class player, then why is he not consistently in the Brazilian National team?

I admit though, when Gustavo wants to play like he did against Madrid, he is exceptional

Like Javi martinez is captain of spain
They had only 3 Cbs and 1 was injured yet he did not play !!!!
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Paddymcfatty » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:32 am

Actually against the Republic of Ireland, he did play.
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Element » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:39 am

Paddymcfatty wrote:Actually against the Republic of Ireland, he did play.

I know ,but do you really believe that he actually played

Damn spain could have subbed me in and nothing would have changed

Gustavos defense is great and vs madrid was probably best defensive performance by a midfielder that season but offensively he contributes even less than Neuer!!!!

So martinez might be better but the way you are explaining it is with all respect rubbish
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby BayernLove » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:41 am

Min wrote:
FCBayernMunchen wrote:So Martinez is a clear top international player and Gustavo is not? I think Gustavo has proven much more than Martinez


How many international titles got Gustavo? Yes, he played much more games in Champions League than Martinez. At the same time his inconsistency, defensiveness, lack of leadership lead me to conclusion that he is not international top player.

Cue the "Another profound statement by FCB fan number 1".
No seriously, cue it, I'm sick of that huge obsession with Martinez of yours.
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Min » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:04 pm

BayernLove wrote:
Min wrote:
FCBayernMunchen wrote:So Martinez is a clear top international player and Gustavo is not? I think Gustavo has proven much more than Martinez


How many international titles got Gustavo? Yes, he played much more games in Champions League than Martinez. At the same time his inconsistency, defensiveness, lack of leadership lead me to conclusion that he is not international top player.

Cue the "Another profound statement by FCB fan number 1".
No seriously, cue it, I'm sick of that huge obsession with Martinez of yours.


I am not obsessed with Martinez at all. It could be any international top player to discuss about possible transfer to Bayern, I wouldn't mind. I just smile when some people are trying to prove already 'proven' things. Schweini was injured all this winter - did Gustavo show any of his leadership abilities regularly?

I think all these discussions are pointless anyway as this transfer probability is very minimal.

And if you are constantly sick that someone else got different opinion than yours-feel very sorry for you. It is clear sign that you should visit some kind of specialists.
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Min » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:06 pm

Paddymcfatty wrote:Actually against the Republic of Ireland, he did play.


Javi played very little in Euro just because Del Bosque was saving him for Olympics. They (Spain) are overcrowded with talents in midfield anyway.
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Firefox1234 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:11 pm

Jupp Heynckes says Bayern Munich are still keen on Athletic Bilbao midfielder Javi Martinez but insists the club will not be held to ransom. He said: "We remain interested in the player, his price is €20-22 million. To €40 million for Javi Martinez is indecent and not market value."


We dont have to worry about spending 40m on Martinez Jupp has stated his price tag.....From wat I have seen over Martinez I cannot say who is better both have had two different careers, and about Gustavo not being called up is not surprising l, his type of style of play does not appeal to the Brazilian style of play.....
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Min » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:30 pm

Firefox1234 wrote:
Jupp Heynckes says Bayern Munich are still keen on Athletic Bilbao midfielder Javi Martinez but insists the club will not be held to ransom. He said: "We remain interested in the player, his price is €20-22 million. To €40 million for Javi Martinez is indecent and not market value."


We dont have to worry about spending 40m on Martinez Jupp has stated his price tag.....From wat I have seen over Martinez I cannot say who is better both have had two different careers, and about Gustavo not being called up is not surprising l, his type of style of play does not appeal to the Brazilian style of play.....


To be honest with you I am still surprised why does not Bayern look for Witsel or Fellaini or any other options if they are sure they won't splash mega money for Martinez. The same Fellaini would be terrific for us.
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby Firefox1234 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:46 pm

Min wrote:To be honest with you I am still surprised why does not Bayern look for Witsel or Fellaini or any other options if they are sure they won't splash mega money for Martinez. The same Fellaini would be terrific for us.


THATS WHAT I DONT GET!!!!!! It seems like when Jupp has fallen in love with a player they mate for life or something...no other options seem to cross his mind.....Fellani wud be a terrific player who wud cost 20-25m and has played in arguably one of the toughest leagues in the world facing Arsenal, Man U, Man C, Chelsea, and Liverpool twice a year unlike Martinez who has plays Real and Barca just to get destroyed 4 times a year every year:P....and i have watched Fellani play he is strong defensively as he is offensively, great in the box, and especially set pieces he turns every chance he gets in to goals....i cant speak for Witsel since i have not seen him play....
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:13 pm

Min wrote:How many international titles got Gustavo?

Because Martinez was crucial to Spain winning the EC right? He failed in the EL final just as much as our players did in the CL final.

Without Gustavo, we would never have beaten Real Madrid. Maybe if he wasn't suspended for the final, it might have been different. Then if we go back to the previous season, he marked one of Inter's most dangerous players, Sneijder, out of the game just weeks after joining Bayern. That day the other defenders let us down, as well as luck, because we could have scored more. Had we beaten Inter, 2012 might very well have been our third consecutive final. Surely we had what it takes to beat Schalke and Man United.

Min wrote:To be honest with you I am still surprised why does not Bayern look for Witsel or Fellaini or any other options if they are sure they won't splash mega money for Martinez. The same Fellaini would be terrific for us.

Now this I agree with. You see, we don't need Martinez because we have Schweini and Gustavo. You seem to want him in case Schweini is injured, but is Martinez the right guy to replace Schweini? I doubt that. Martinez seems much more defensive.
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Re: Javi Martínez

Postby München Minded » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:38 pm

The argument of Martínez vs Gustavo -- I just hope Gustavo is even better than last season, and then we would even wonder why we ever wanted an over-priced player in Martínez. I agree with everyone by reading between the lines in that it feels scary not signing a world class player aside from just upgrading the bench -- as if the season goes poorly, then we all will just pinpoint that as an issue.
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