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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby tflags » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:06 am

Sport Bild is suggesting Fiete Arp has rejected Bayern's offer; for the time being. Source.
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby MUTU » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:44 am

Wise kid. He'd be mad to accept an offer with the coach's and Lewandowski's futures in balance.
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby America USA » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:47 pm

Is this what it has all come down to? An 18 year old teenager turning Bayern down? :x

Can you even imagine an 18 year old Spaniard turning Real Madrid down?!

He was never gonna start ahead of Lewandowski or even Wagner anyway and whoever our next coach will be, that guy would still be better than his current manager at Hamburg. If he had said yes to Bayern then we would send him on loan to some half decent team but looks like this kid wants to play in the second division next season. Oh well.. :problem:
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby #12 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:52 pm

German mentality is always "kid‘s throwing away his career if he doesn’t play enough", so everybody acts like it... And they claim we‘re bad with talents - which is true in some cases...
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby America USA » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:56 pm

#12 wrote:German mentality is always "kid‘s throwing away his career if he doesn’t play enough", so everybody acts like it... And they claim we‘re bad with talents - which is true in some cases...

I didn’t get what you’re trying to say? Can you please be more profound?

Had Arp agreed to join Bayern, he would be sent on loan to a mid table team (either in Germany or possibly in Italy) that could use his skills and he would get sufficient playing time at the top level. Now he will play at an inferior level and with worse coaching and terrible teammates.
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby #12 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:12 pm

America USA wrote:
#12 wrote:German mentality is always "kid‘s throwing away his career if he doesn’t play enough", so everybody acts like it... And they claim we‘re bad with talents - which is true in some cases...

I didn’t get what you’re trying to say? Can you please be more profound?

Had Arp agreed to join Bayern, he would be sent on loan to a mid table team (either in Germany or possibly in Italy) that could use his skills and he would get sufficient playing time at the top level. Now he will play at an inferior level and with worse coaching and terrible teammates.


Who‘s to say he will stay in Hamburg? He turned down one first offer - could’ve been for hundreds of reasons... Should he actually stay there, THEN you can talk...
Also don’t act like they‘re already relegated, those **** always find a way to save their sorry asses, I‘m telling you!

What I was trying to say? We have a reputation for "burning talent" - you compared it to RM... There’s nothing bigger than to play for RM for a Spaniard... But there’s nothing bigger than to play for a huge club for a German... They’re more focused on actual careers than clubs and the general attitude towards Bayern - also in the media - is not half as positive as the one towards RM in Spain...
Also they want to decide themselves and not let others - like Bayern - decide for them...
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby America USA » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:15 pm

I see. That last bit about the attitude towards us is a really sad thing.
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby #12 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:52 pm

America USA wrote:I see. That last bit about the attitude towards us is a really sad thing.


Well, Germans are envious and resentful and we are successful...
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby FCB12Forever » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:29 am

America USA wrote:Is this what it has all come down to? An 18 year old teenager turning Bayern down?

The kid comes from Bad Segeburg which is a town close to Hamburg. He is likely a Hamburg fan for life, despite the woeful current situation of HSV. He also idolizes Harry Kane. He doesn't like Bayern as I dug from his tweets (which was verified by the DFB-Junioren twitter).
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby MUTU » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:29 am

#12 wrote:German mentality is always "kid‘s throwing away his career if he doesn’t play enough", so everybody acts like it... And they claim we‘re bad with talents - which is true in some cases...

Thing is: how many current or recently-retired world-class players are Hamburg youth products?
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby #12 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:52 am

MUTU wrote:
#12 wrote:German mentality is always "kid‘s throwing away his career if he doesn’t play enough", so everybody acts like it... And they claim we‘re bad with talents - which is true in some cases...

Thing is: how many current or recently-retired world-class players are Hamburg youth products?


Your point being?
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby MUTU » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:56 am

#12 wrote:
MUTU wrote:
#12 wrote:German mentality is always "kid‘s throwing away his career if he doesn’t play enough", so everybody acts like it... And they claim we‘re bad with talents - which is true in some cases...

Thing is: how many current or recently-retired world-class players are Hamburg youth products?


Your point being?

That statistically-speaking he has a bigger chance of becoming a world-class player while growing up at Bayern than while growing up at Hamburg.
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby America USA » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:27 pm

MUTU wrote:That statistically-speaking he has a bigger chance of becoming a world-class player while growing up at Bayern than while growing up at Hamburg.

If he loathes Bayern so much then there is no point chasing this guy. All the points that we raise here as to why signing for Bayern will help this guy (Better coaching, Better players around him, Champions League football, Better chances of making it to Die Mannschaft, gets to stay in Germany and get a premium salary) will fall short if he doesn’t like Bayern Munich because irrational dislike (prejudice) is not easily cured.

If he signs for another BL team next season (Hamburg are destined for relegation this season, ffs they haven’t won a single game in 2018!) or goes abroad (PL) then it is a clear sign that he doesn’t want to come to Bavaria and that is his choice to make. Nothing we or anyone else for that matter can do anything about it.

If he stays with Hamburg next season (in the second division) then I will applaud his loyalty but also laugh at his stupidity.
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Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby #12 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:06 pm

@MUTU:

Yeah maybe, but all these statements sound like he only had one offer...
Cause there’s A LOT of players from, let’s say Schalke for example, who made it...

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MUTU wrote:That statistically-speaking he has a bigger chance of becoming a world-class player while growing up at Bayern than while growing up at Hamburg.

If he loathes Bayern so much then there is no point chasing this guy. All the points that we raise here as to why signing for Bayern will help this guy (Better coaching, Better players around him, Champions League football, Better chances of making it to Die Mannschaft, gets to stay in Germany and get a premium salary) will fall short if he doesn’t like Bayern Munich because irrational dislike (prejudice) is not easily cured.

If he signs for another BL team next season (Hamburg are destined for relegation this season, ffs they haven’t won a single game in 2018!) or goes abroad (PL) then it is a clear sign that he doesn’t want to come to Bavaria and that is his choice to make. Nothing we or anyone else for that matter can do anything about it.

If he stays with Hamburg next season (in the second division) then I will applaud his loyalty but also laugh at his stupidity.


Well, one guy who always hated Bayern is now our captain...
You think he‘d have played for us at 19? 20? Things change when people mature...
Also, maybe he does just want to take one step at a time and wants to come to Bayern, but only after taking a step in between?
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Re: Jann-Fiete Arp

Postby MUTU » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:10 pm

#12 wrote:@MUTU:

Yeah maybe, but all these statements sound like he only had one offer...
Cause there’s A LOT of players from, let’s say Schalke for example, who made it...

Who made what? I don't understand.
Also, for all the fame their academy gets, which world class players did Schalke produce? Off the top of my head can only think of Neuer and Lehmann.
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