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FCB12Forever wrote:

Manchu wrote:Honestly, I don't understand why people rate him so highly. He's a good player and a great finisher, but he seems more like the French version of Max Kruse than the French version of Neymar, James, Muller, or Ozil to me. He seems to attract a lot of attention because he plays for a very good team, but Atletico Madrid's success is ultimately based on good defense, not good offense.

It is "great finisher" alone that inflated his rating. People tend to rate players with goals, dribbling, speed. Football IQ? not relevant.

He had one of the highest convert rates in European strikers.

I remember when Muller was under Pep, he scored 20 goals in the 15-16 season BL and his transfermarkt price was elevated to 80m, just because he scored more goals.

However, the interesting thing is that Griezmann doesn't actually score more often than other "main strikers"/"primary goal scorers" have scored over the last few seasons for Atletico Madrid in La Liga(Diego Simeone took over half way through the 2011/12 season):


The classification of Griezmann is problematic, since he often plays behind another striker, but I would still consider him a "primary goal scorer" i.e. someone whose only real job on the pitch is putting the ball into the net. Under those standards, he is actually had the single worst performance in many years of a main striker at Atletico Madrid last season, and his competitors, the other strikers, although good, aren't people who would necessarily start for us even at their peaks. I am willing to bet Griezmann is the best finisher of all them, but the fact that the others scored more goals suggests they have a quality(positioning?) that Griezmann lacks.

Equally importantly, if we think of Griezmann as a primary goal-scorer, the foolhardiness of trying to play him together with Lewandowski becomes clear. It is possible for a team to be successful with no primary goal scorers starting(like 2012/13 Bayern) but it is very rare for a team to play well with two or more primary goal scorers.

ramsej84 wrote:Griezmann is the best French player... for the time being.
Mbappe will overtake him in few years time.

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For me, Benzema is the best french player. Of course, that isn't necessarily the hardest of achievements. France has a lot of very talented players in the 18-22 range, but I can't think of a single French player, apart from Benzema, within the 23-33 range who is actually a top 3 player for his position. Meanwhile, for Germany we have Muller, Ozil, Kroos, Gundogan(when fit), Hummels, Boateng, Neuer, and Gotze within that age range, with a bumper crop of young talents struggling to get time.

YlonenXabi wrote:The French Max Kruse????????????

Well, I wrote that mainly because I think their playing styles are very similar. That being said, Max Kruse is actually a really good player* who hasn't necessarily gotten the positive attention he deserves. Most notably, he single-handily nearly managed to drag a very untalented Werder Bremen squad to the Europa League last season. I'm not sure if he is quite as good as Griezmann, but seeing how he performed at the head of an Atletico Madrid offense in La Liga would be interesting.

*That doesn't mean I want him at Bayern.

Let us say that he will come, do you think that he will partner Lewa or replace him?

if we can put him in tandem with Lewa that would be awesome
I can already imagine a 3-4-1-2 or a 4-4-2 (which will involve Mueller as RW)