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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:00 am

The sale leads to a Pareto improvement. :)


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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby JANCKER » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:09 am

You can find out someone's value by comparing how much do those kind of players go... Playing minutes and everything counts... He wasn't an important player there and they can't hide it cause minutes show it, suitors won't be ready to make crazy offers for such players, but there could be always some crazy exceptions... due to some crazy investors that don't know what to do with their money.
His age suggests that he was sold for a fair price, not peanuts. Transfermarkt could be the best thing out there when it comes to evaluating players.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:09 am

Müller is valued on transfermarkt at like what 70 million? Is he a 70 million euro player for Bayern? Hell no! If he would have been sold when united came begging around.

"Market value" assumes a competitive auction. Have you noticed one?


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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:11 am

So stop confusing market value with individual valuations because they are clearly different. You are using economic terms without understanding what they mean.


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Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:13 am

Also a competitive auction doesn't apply if there is a price ceiling. I think you are smart enough to figure out how there was an artificial price ceiling in the Thiago Alcantara case.


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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby JANCKER » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:20 am

Barca "accidentally" activated a bad release clause and lost the 80M... Who wants to believe that... Barca wanted him out and what they got was about what Barca evaluated him which happens to be the same amount of transfermarkt.
Mueller simply isn't for sale if he was maybe we'd sell him even for 70M, maybe we'd crack up and give him for 150-200M, that because we don't want to sell.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:24 am

Why would Barca set a lower price ceiling. Do you even hear yourself? Is there something that prevents them from selling for less than 80 million?

Please for once actually research something instead of coming out with half facts.


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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby JANCKER » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:29 am

Sometimes clubs do some stuff to have their hands clean in front of their fans... It wasn't them who sold Thiago, it was THE RELEASE CLAUSE... Burn that witch. :P
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:30 am

If we would give him up for 150-200 mill, and there are clubs willing to offer more than 70, wouldn't that make your market value pretty much worthless?


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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby JANCKER » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:33 am

pyrasur wrote:If we would give him up for 150-200 mill, and there are clubs willing to offer more than 70, wouldn't that make your market value pretty much worthless?


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He isn't for sale... But if they really insist... We'd milk that cow. That's why I'm saying everything matters, status in his current club, age and etc...
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:33 am

Jesus now you have me mixing it up. Wouldn't that make your transfermarkt estimate of market value pretty much one level above useless?


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Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:34 am

JANCKER wrote:
pyrasur wrote:If we would give him up for 150-200 mill, and there are clubs willing to offer more than 70, wouldn't that make your market value pretty much worthless?


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He isn't for sale... But if they really insist... We'd milk that cow.


How would you "milk that cow" if he's simultaneously not for sale?


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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby JANCKER » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:36 am

pyrasur wrote:
JANCKER wrote:
pyrasur wrote:If we would give him up for 150-200 mill, and there are clubs willing to offer more than 70, wouldn't that make your market value pretty much worthless?


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He isn't for sale... But if they really insist... We'd milk that cow.


How would you "milk that cow" if he's simultaneously not for sale?


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#-o we'd crack up cause we'd recieve a crazy sum?
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:38 am

Whatever I'm done. Seriously though Google those terms there's some good basic economic theory out there. Just be sure to read the assumptions we make that make the theory good enough for government work but mean that the basic theory is for really simple markets that don't exist in real life.


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Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:47 am

I slept on it for five minutes and I really realized that the problem is that you don't understand how Pareto improvement works and that is why you are focused on the transfermarkt estimate and don't understand how getting Thiago for 25 million was a steal.

So go check it out bro it's really cool

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