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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby soul-railgun777 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:47 pm

Bayern is winning 2-1 against Benfica at 87 min. Zirkzee 66, Zylla 80.
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby soul-railgun777 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:56 pm

Final whistle Bayern 2-2 Benfica. Bayern: Zirkzee 66, Zylla 80 Benfica: Nuno Santos 43, Ronaldo Camara 90.
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:08 pm

soul-railgun777 wrote:Final whistle Bayern 2-2 Benfica. Bayern: Zirkzee 66, Zylla 80 Benfica: Nuno Santos 43, Ronaldo Camara 90.

This is REALLY complicated.

The tiebreaker rules are as follows:
  1. Points in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  2. Goal difference in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  3. Goals scored in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  4. Away goals scored in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  5. If more than two teams are tied, and after applying all head-to-head criteria above, a subset of teams are still tied, all head-to-head criteria above are reapplied exclusively to this subset of teams;
  6. Goal difference in all group matches;
  7. Goals scored in all group matches;
  8. Away goals scored in all group matches;
  9. Wins in all group matches;
  10. Away wins in all group matches;
  11. Disciplinary points (red card = 3 points, yellow card = 1 point, expulsion for two yellow cards in one match = 3 points);
  12. Drawing of lots.

We can safely assume that Benfica will win against AEK Athens U19 (0 points, -21 goal difference), but if Bayern beat Ajax in the last match it means that 3 teams end up with 11 points, and they have to work out the tiebreaker there. These are the results in question:

Benfica 3-0 Bayern
Bayern 2-2 Ajax
Ajax 3-0 Benfica
Benfica 3-3 Ajax
Bayern 2-2 Benfica
Ajax lose at home to Bayern

So for tiebreaker rule 1, all 3 teams would have 5 points in head-to-head matches (1 win, 2 draws, 1 loss).

For tiebreaker rule 2, Benfica are GD 0, Ajax are so far GD +3 (but would lose the last match), Bayern are so far GD -3 (but would win the match).

If Bayern win by 3 goals, they would all be on GD 0 and it would be onto tiebreaker rule 3 where Benfica scored 8 goals, Ajax has scored 8 goals but Bayern have only scored 4 goals. Therefore a 3-0 win would see Bayern eliminated (only 7 goals scored). If Bayern win by 3 goals against Ajax but score at least 5 goals, i.e. 5-2, 6-3, 7-4 etc, Bayern and Ajax would go through.

It gets even more complicated if Bayern beats Ajax 4-1. Then Ajax would have scored 9 goals (Ajax go through), but both Bayern and Benfica would have scored 8 goals.

All three teams move to tiebreaker rule 4 to determine who joins Ajax in the last 16 between Bayern and Benfica, and Bayern would have 4 away goals to Benfica's 2, therefore Bayern would go through with a 4-1 against Ajax.

In conclusion, in order to qualify, Bayern need:
- to get more points vs Ajax than Benfica get vs AEK (unlikely)
- beat Ajax by at least 3 goals, but not 3-0 (likewise unlikely)

In essence, FC Bayern U19 is f**ked thanks to that injury time goal conceded.
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby soul-railgun777 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:10 pm

MUTU wrote:In conclusion, in order to qualify, Bayern need:
- to get more points vs Ajax than Benfica get vs AEK (unlikely)
- beat Ajax by at least 3 goals, but not 3-0 (likewise unlikely)

In essence, FC Bayern U19 is f**ked thanks to that injury time goal conceded.

What a shame, I still think they've done a good job taking in count how good Ajax and Benfica academies are.
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:01 pm

So groups A-D are now ready.

A: Atletico, Monaco, Club Brugge, BVB :lol:
B: Barcelona, Tottenham, Inter, PSV
C: Liverpool, PSG, Napoli, Red Star Belgrade
D: Porto, Lokomotiv Moscow, Galatasaray, Schalke the supposedly great talent producer :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:53 pm

MUTU wrote:
soul-railgun777 wrote:Final whistle Bayern 2-2 Benfica. Bayern: Zirkzee 66, Zylla 80 Benfica: Nuno Santos 43, Ronaldo Camara 90.

This is REALLY complicated.

The tiebreaker rules are as follows:
  1. Points in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  2. Goal difference in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  3. Goals scored in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  4. Away goals scored in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  5. If more than two teams are tied, and after applying all head-to-head criteria above, a subset of teams are still tied, all head-to-head criteria above are reapplied exclusively to this subset of teams;
  6. Goal difference in all group matches;
  7. Goals scored in all group matches;
  8. Away goals scored in all group matches;
  9. Wins in all group matches;
  10. Away wins in all group matches;
  11. Disciplinary points (red card = 3 points, yellow card = 1 point, expulsion for two yellow cards in one match = 3 points);
  12. Drawing of lots.

We can safely assume that Benfica will win against AEK Athens U19 (0 points, -21 goal difference), but if Bayern beat Ajax in the last match it means that 3 teams end up with 11 points, and they have to work out the tiebreaker there. These are the results in question:

Benfica 3-0 Bayern
Bayern 2-2 Ajax
Ajax 3-0 Benfica
Benfica 3-3 Ajax
Bayern 2-2 Benfica
Ajax lose at home to Bayern

So for tiebreaker rule 1, all 3 teams would have 5 points in head-to-head matches (1 win, 2 draws, 1 loss).

For tiebreaker rule 2, Benfica are GD 0, Ajax are so far GD +3 (but would lose the last match), Bayern are so far GD -3 (but would win the match).

If Bayern win by 3 goals, they would all be on GD 0 and it would be onto tiebreaker rule 3 where Benfica scored 8 goals, Ajax has scored 8 goals but Bayern have only scored 4 goals. Therefore a 3-0 win would see Bayern eliminated (only 7 goals scored). If Bayern win by 3 goals against Ajax but score at least 5 goals, i.e. 5-2, 6-3, 7-4 etc, Bayern and Ajax would go through.

It gets even more complicated if Bayern beats Ajax 4-1. Then Ajax would have scored 9 goals (Ajax go through), but both Bayern and Benfica would have scored 8 goals.

All three teams move to tiebreaker rule 4 to determine who joins Ajax in the last 16 between Bayern and Benfica, and Bayern would have 4 away goals to Benfica's 2, therefore Bayern would go through with a 4-1 against Ajax.

In conclusion, in order to qualify, Bayern need:
- to get more points vs Ajax than Benfica get vs AEK (unlikely)
- beat Ajax by at least 3 goals, but not 3-0 (likewise unlikely)

In essence, FC Bayern U19 is f**ked thanks to that injury time goal conceded.

HT Ajax 0-1 Bayern; Benfica 1-0 AEK

Bayern go through if they score 3 more goals in the second half (and concede up to 1 goal only), or Bayern get more points vs Ajax than Benfica get vs AEK
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby icewizard » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:14 pm

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It's a shame if we don't win by 4 goals and qualify.
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:19 pm

Shots on goal is now 3-10 but more importantly the score is 0-1 with only half an hour left.
It looks more likely that AEK get the draw vs Benfica but as far as attempts go, Benfica are 21-0. AEK need to be super lucky to get the 1-1 :lol:
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:23 pm

MUTU wrote:Shots on goal is now 3-10 but more importantly the score is 0-1 with only half an hour left.
It looks more likely that AEK get the draw vs Benfica but as far as attempts go, Benfica are 21-0. AEK need to be super lucky to get the 1-1 :lol:

Next refresh and the shots on goal tally is now 3-14 :lol:

Their keeper saved 4 shots in succession.
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:26 pm

62' Stiller (Bayern) has an attempt on goal.
62' El Maach (Ajax) blocks a shot.
62' Stiller (Bayern) has an attempt on goal.
62' El Maach (Ajax) blocks a shot.
62' Zirkzee (Bayern) has an attempt on goal.
62' El Maach (Ajax) blocks a shot.
62' Zirkzee (Bayern) has an effort on goal.
62' El Maach (Ajax) blocks a shot.

...

66' Zirkzee (Bayern) scores!

at last! f00kin' keeper with 4 saves in the same minute :)
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:34 pm

Now's the chance maybe... Ajax do a triple substitution. They need some time to adapt.

In the meantime Stiller is still having shots and not scoring.
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:39 pm

This sucks. In the space of seconds, Benfica score the 2-0 while Ajax score the 1-2.
Bayern can still qualify if Bayern or AEK score 2 goals.
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:46 pm

Issam El Maach with (so far) 15 saves from 17 shots on target. Sign him up now!
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:48 pm

The Benfica match is in injury time now.
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Re: 2018/19 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:50 pm

5 minutes of injury time for the Bayern match...
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