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Re: World News Thread

Postby Hardrade » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:21 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:Ramsej is not RW. He has described himself (accurately) several times as an illiberal socialist with nationalistic leanings


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Re: World News Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:36 pm

He is saying that I am NAZI or to be exact NSDAP...

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Re: World News Thread

Postby #12 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:17 pm

Just not the stuff you actually should...
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Re: World News Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:09 am

My point is that right wingers, like myself, are not illiberal, against globalization, nationalistic, etc. Right wing = classical liberal. Hence we don't like being associated with the collectivist racists, those are actually left wing because they want an ever expanding government to restrict every kind of things.

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Re: World News Thread

Postby #12 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:24 pm

Erm... No...
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Re: World News Thread

Postby Paphlagonian » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:25 pm

Sorry but saying "I'm a right-wing and a liberal" sounds funny. The right-wing came out from supporting/defending monarchy in 1789. The whole idea of right is the order itself hence collectivism. You're pretty much a leftist with those ideals whether you like it or not.
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Re: World News Thread

Postby Hardrade » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:02 pm

Paphlagonian wrote:Sorry but saying "I'm a right-wing and a liberal" sounds funny. The right-wing came out from supporting/defending monarchy in 1789. The whole idea of right is the order itself hence collectivism. You're pretty much a leftist with those ideals whether you like it or not.


No, that’s not how it works. Politics have developed a bit since then. Both sides have their economical and cultural spectrums, and being liberal is not related to these aspects, it’s related to your position on power of the state. So it’s completely normal to have liberals left and right, just like you have authoritarians left and right. Revolutionary era division is rather simplistic, and pretty much abandoned.
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Re: World News Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:10 pm

Right wings were agsinst life
Nowadays rw are pro life

I am for taxing heavily the super rich... so does that make me a leftist?

Thing is that the left forgot its roots... and are only focused on lgbtiq+ issues and mass migration
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Re: World News Thread

Postby MUTU » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:25 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Right wings were agsinst life
Nowadays rw are pro life

And yet the people who would rather that African irregular immigrants sink and die in the Mediterranean Sea than accept them into their country are all right-wingers. I don't call that pro-life. I call that selfishness.

The less evil right wingers are all like "I don't care what happens to them as long as they don't end up in my country/continent", and that could imply death to these people anyway.

So the only life that right wingers are "pro" for are Caucasian lives.

Just listen to what your idol Norman Lowell says. He was once interviewed on TV and asked "if they found a cure for AIDS, would you want to administer it in Africa?" and he was like "Why?! Why would you want that? Let them die!". Yeah right, pro life.
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Re: World News Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:48 pm

So Mutu let me ask you ... what is your dream? is it to re-allocate all of Africa to Europe ?
You and all who fight my arguments always neglect my argument of helping Africa...
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Re: World News Thread

Postby MUTU » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:52 pm

ramsej84 wrote:So Mutu let me ask you ... what is your dream? is it to re-allocate all of Africa to Europe ?
You and all who fight my arguments always neglect my argument of helping Africa...

My dream is that Africans don't feel the need to leave their continent, but if they are so desperate to leave I don't think the continent should stand in their way. I cannot condone actions that could lead to innocent people losing their lives, and I will label politicians who take such actions as murderers. Case in point Matteo Salvini. Salvini does not care how many lives are lost; all he cares about is reducing the number of immigrants Italy takes in. Ironically, a prominent leader of the country that completely surrounds Vatican City wants to take actions that are the complete opposite of what Jesus Christ would do had he been in his place ;) And yeah, am not a religious person but I understand what is considered ethical and what isn't.
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Re: World News Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:55 pm

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:So Mutu let me ask you ... what is your dream? is it to re-allocate all of Africa to Europe ?
You and all who fight my arguments always neglect my argument of helping Africa...

My dream is that Africans don't feel the need to leave their continent, but if they are so desperate to leave I don't think the continent should stand in their way. I cannot condone actions that could lead to innocent people losing their lives, and I will label politicians who take such actions as murderers. Case in point Matteo Salvini. Salvini does not care how many lives are lost; all he cares about is reducing the number of immigrants Italy takes in. Ironically, a prominent leader of the country that completely surrounds Vatican City wants to take actions that are the complete opposite of what Jesus Christ would do had he been in his place ;) And yeah, am not a religious person but I understand what is considered ethical and what isn't.
Not true... Salvini is against human trafficking...
His goal was not to let them leave Africa...
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Re: World News Thread

Postby MUTU » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:12 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Not true... Salvini is against human trafficking...
His goal was not to let them leave Africa...

You know that this isn't right. You know it, I don't need to explain it, but I feel compelled to anyway. No, his goal is to not let them arrive in Italy. If his goal was just to let them stay in Africa, then once they did leave Africa anyway he would have no problem opening his ports and letting them in and giving them a big welcome and go down personally and shake their hands and welcome them to his country. But he does. Because for him the important thing is that they don't arrive in his country. He wants burden sharing to reduce the amount that arrive in his country. And he wants them not to leave Africa as well, true, but only because not leaving Africa means not arriving in his country. That is his goal, having Italy white. And, as you know, closing a port and asking the ship to take them to an African port means consigning the would-be immigrants to death.

In the meantime, his citizens come to our country in droves and cause more annoyance than Africans do. One of them rammed my car with his cement mixer this morning, only 2 days after arriving from Italy.
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Re: World News Thread

Postby #12 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:15 pm

ramsej84 wrote:
MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:So Mutu let me ask you ... what is your dream? is it to re-allocate all of Africa to Europe ?
You and all who fight my arguments always neglect my argument of helping Africa...

My dream is that Africans don't feel the need to leave their continent, but if they are so desperate to leave I don't think the continent should stand in their way. I cannot condone actions that could lead to innocent people losing their lives, and I will label politicians who take such actions as murderers. Case in point Matteo Salvini. Salvini does not care how many lives are lost; all he cares about is reducing the number of immigrants Italy takes in. Ironically, a prominent leader of the country that completely surrounds Vatican City wants to take actions that are the complete opposite of what Jesus Christ would do had he been in his place ;) And yeah, am not a religious person but I understand what is considered ethical and what isn't.
Not true... Salvini is against human trafficking...
His goal was not to let them leave Africa...


Who cares?

Are you that blind?

It’s not a "the end justifies the means", do you seriously not get that?

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Re: World News Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:15 pm

Vai Salvini........

You were a pain in the ass for Merkel Macron Tusk and the drunk Juncker....

No worries they will soon be face to face with you....


May the Maltese grow enough balls to elect a PM like you
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