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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:36 pm

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:[quote="ramsej84"][quote="FCBayernMunchen"]While I agree with his sentiment, another guy who has absolutely no idea how European institutions work.
?

This is a matter in which we decide.... I hope that I misunderstood you...

There should never be a choice... this is murder and believe me if one day this law sees light there will be blood... blood of the culprits


I’m sure you misunderstood. As you said, it’s a matter in which we decide, so the reason countries are taken to the Court of Justice of the UE for allowing the killing of a turtle dove but not for allowing abortion (which is what I understand Vella as alluding to) is quite simple: you literally can’t be taken to that court for that matter because it is not part of its remit.

I do not agree with you that there should never be a choice, but I agree there should not be a choice in the vast majority of cases. I am mostly pro-life, with some exceptions, but wanted to point out the lack of awareness behind Vella’s comment.
The only choice (which I believe already exist , kind of) that I agree on is when the life of the mother is in real danger[/quote]

Rape? Sickness?

Also YOU would be the first to moab about having to support all those half orphans...[/quote]No.

Everyone deserves a chance.

Rape? What does that baby has to do with his monster father?

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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:40 am

For me the only really clear cut one is the one ramsej mentioned.

Sickness: I am more inclined towards no, but it is a tough one ethically. I am in favour of euthanasia and to a certain extent aborting someone who is going to live a life of suffering can be seen from the same perspective. Generally I am inclined towards being against abortion in this case though, as a fulfilling life can still be lived. Stephen Hawking comes to mind (not born like that, but an example of how terrible sickness doesn’t necessarily impair a good life).

Rape is the one I have never been able to take a position on. The psychological torture the mother can go through by being forced to carry that baby might be as bad as death, I think. This one I really don’t have an opinion on.
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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby #12 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:11 am

ramsej84 wrote:
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ramsej84 wrote:[quote="FCBayernMunchen"][quote="ramsej84"][quote="FCBayernMunchen"]While I agree with his sentiment, another guy who has absolutely no idea how European institutions work.
?

This is a matter in which we decide.... I hope that I misunderstood you...

There should never be a choice... this is murder and believe me if one day this law sees light there will be blood... blood of the culprits


I’m sure you misunderstood. As you said, it’s a matter in which we decide, so the reason countries are taken to the Court of Justice of the UE for allowing the killing of a turtle dove but not for allowing abortion (which is what I understand Vella as alluding to) is quite simple: you literally can’t be taken to that court for that matter because it is not part of its remit.

I do not agree with you that there should never be a choice, but I agree there should not be a choice in the vast majority of cases. I am mostly pro-life, with some exceptions, but wanted to point out the lack of awareness behind Vella’s comment.
The only choice (which I believe already exist , kind of) that I agree on is when the life of the mother is in real danger[/quote]

Rape? Sickness?

Also YOU would be the first to moab about having to support all those half orphans...[/quote]No.

Everyone deserves a chance.

Rape? What does that baby has to do with his monster father?

The other thing you mentioned... you are making the same mistake that those you hate did[/quote]

Why does the woman have to suffer in agony for 9 months? To pay and care for this "lovechild"?

I didn’t mean sickness disability but yeah I think it’s mandatory to offer an alternative, which would be homes for these children where they can anonymously be dropped off and yes that'd cost ya...
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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby IsiahRashad » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:46 pm

We reveal most about ourselves when we speak about others. :roll:
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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:23 am

Let us sacrifice our today so that our children will have a better tomorrow ; anonymous
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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby MUTU » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:45 am

ramsej84 wrote:Let us sacrifice our today so that our children will have a better tomorrow ; anonymous

The problem with humanity is that the majority only want others to sacrifice their today but are not ready to do it themselves.
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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:11 am

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Let us sacrifice our today so that our children will have a better tomorrow ; anonymous

The problem with humanity is that the majority only want others to sacrifice their today but are not ready to do it themselves.

although this can be said for our gen... imo in the past our forefathers did it, just look at Malta's Hist...
* the fight against the feudal tyrants
* against all the sacking and sieges by the Ottomans
* against the French arrogance
* against the subtle slavery under the British Rule, fighting to have our Constitutional Rights & much more
* the struggles of WWII
* cont to fight for Independence...

then nothing.... infighting , corruption and tribalism,
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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby #12 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:55 pm

ramsej84 wrote:
MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Let us sacrifice our today so that our children will have a better tomorrow ; anonymous

The problem with humanity is that the majority only want others to sacrifice their today but are not ready to do it themselves.

although this can be said for our gen... imo in the past our forefathers did it, just look at Malta's Hist...
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* against all the sacking and sieges by the Ottomans
* against the French arrogance
* against the subtle slavery under the British Rule, fighting to have our Constitutional Rights & much more
* the struggles of WWII
* cont to fight for Independence...

then nothing.... infighting , corruption and tribalism,
Reconsider some of that maybe...
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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:31 pm

I have to say I don’t fully agree with the quote.

If every generation were to sacrifice their today, the end result would mostly be a spiral of unhappiness, which is indeed what we had for a lot of history. The problem is that we have now gone to the other extreme, and everyone wants to enjoy themselves to the fullest and have the most comforts possible.

There needs to be a balance. Holding back/making sacrifices should not be glorified, imo, and we should definitely aim to live the best life possible - BUT it needs to be done within reason, keeping in mind our ethical duty towards those coming after us. I firmly believe that CAN be done without sacrificing today, but there isn’t much will to do it so far.
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Re: the Quotes thread...

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:38 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:I have to say I don’t fully agree with the quote.

If every generation were to sacrifice their today, the end result would mostly be a spiral of unhappiness, which is indeed what we had for a lot of history. The problem is that we have now gone to the other extreme, and everyone wants to enjoy themselves to the fullest and have the most comforts possible.

There needs to be a balance. Holding back/making sacrifices should not be glorified, imo, and we should definitely aim to live the best life possible - BUT it needs to be done within reason, keeping in mind our ethical duty towards those coming after us. I firmly believe that CAN be done without sacrificing today, but there isn’t much will to do it so far.
Very nice interpretation. You hit the nail on its head.
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