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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:34 am

U l-Kotra qamet f’daqqa – u għajtet: “Jien Maltija!
Miskin min ikasbarni, - miskin min jidħak bija!”
U l-Kotra għanniet f’daqqa – u semmgħet ma’ l-irjieħ
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby MaCk0y » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:00 am

Daniel, where to place also and always? E.g: 'The key will also be provided' or 'The key will be also provided'?
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:00 pm

They should both be correct. Some old-fashioned teachers will say the first one is wrong because of the so-called "split verb" (the also/adverb is placed between the auxiliary 'would' and the verb 'to be') but this is wrong. The first version is by far the most common one and it just sounds better, tbh.
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby MaCk0y » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:40 pm

So they should be both correct as well? :)
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The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:27 pm

Indeed. :P Also “they both should be correct”.
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby MUTU » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:58 pm

They should both be correct :)
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:03 pm

MUTU wrote:They should both be correct :)


That was the first one I used. :P
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby #12 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:37 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:They should both be correct. Some old-fashioned teachers will say the first one is wrong because of the so-called "split verb" (the also/adverb is placed between the auxiliary 'would' and the verb 'to be') but this is wrong. The first version is by far the most common one and it just sounds better, tbh.


I'd argue "the key will be provided, also" os correct as well...
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby MUTU » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:28 am

#12 wrote:
FCBayernMunchen wrote:They should both be correct. Some old-fashioned teachers will say the first one is wrong because of the so-called "split verb" (the also/adverb is placed between the auxiliary 'would' and the verb 'to be') but this is wrong. The first version is by far the most common one and it just sounds better, tbh.


I'd argue "the key will be provided, also" os correct as well...

And "also, the key will be provided"
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby #12 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:07 pm

MUTU wrote:
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FCBayernMunchen wrote:They should both be correct. Some old-fashioned teachers will say the first one is wrong because of the so-called "split verb" (the also/adverb is placed between the auxiliary 'would' and the verb 'to be') but this is wrong. The first version is by far the most common one and it just sounds better, tbh.


I'd argue "the key will be provided, also" os correct as well...

And "also, the key will be provided"


Yes, but that slightly changes the meaning IMHO...
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:41 pm

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/ ... -in.742092

A Maltese language spell checker which could spell the end of poorly-written Maltese online will be developed with government funding, the Finance Minister revealed during his Budget 2020 speech.

The spell checker could end up costing as much as €8 million but would help preserve and encourage the use of the Maltese language online.

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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:23 pm

Yeah what in earth is he talking about? We’ve had Maltese spellcheckers for years.

Anyway spellcheck won’t solve the problem because many people write so terribly it won’t recognise what the word is supposed to be. Plus it doesn’t solve the problem of for example Xagħar vs Xahar. Spellcheckers can be duped if the typo results in another existing word. There’s a reason why there’s a commonly made infamous typo inviting people to “pubic events” or speaking about the “pubic vote” (a typo which incidentally made it to the front page headline of a local newspaper recently).
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:26 pm

Haha funnily I just opened Facebook and this was the first post:

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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:18 pm

@fcbm

this is prob a stupid question; why do we in Maltese add an article before a town or a village (almost all bar birkirkara) ?
We use it when we say that we are going to ... and even when we reply when they ask where we live.


where do you live ? - Il-Birgu, in-Naxxar
where are you going - I am going to il-Mosta
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Re: The BF learn-a-new-language thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:10 pm

Don’t think there’s any reason tbh, but if there is I don’t know it. It’s just the way things are and it’s one of those things which will confuse foreign learners, because it’s not a rule as such and it’s very arbitrary whether the place takes an article or not.

So you have Il-Marsa (article) but then Marsaxlokk, Marsaskala, and Marsalforn (no article). Il-Birgu, L-Isla but then Birżebbuġa, Buġibba, Birkirkara. I’m actually not too sure about Bormla. It’s definitely used without an article but to my mind it doesn’t sound as weird as all the others if you add an article either.

Then there’s all the Ħal places too. That’s not an article.

The same is true for countries:
L-Italja
Il-Ġermanja
L-Ingilterra
Il-Kanada
L-Awstralja
Is-Sirja
Iċ-Ċina
It-Turkija
Il-Messiku
Iż-Żimbabwe
and most other countries in the world.

But then:
Franza
Spanja
Ċipru
and of course, Malta u Għawdex.
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