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Re: German members...

Postby JANCKER » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:21 pm

Populist is bad? Didn't Hillary win the populist vote? :P
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Postby #12 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:26 pm

She won the popular vote... ;)
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Re: German members...

Postby JANCKER » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:27 pm

But 'populist' is bad?
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Postby #12 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:30 pm

Who said that? It's got a connotation... But only because these people are talking a lot and offering no real solutions...
I will go into more detail tomorrow, also on the other issue, but I'm beat, gotta catch some sleep...
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Re: German members...

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:32 am

JANCKER wrote:But 'populist' is bad?


It is when you act in favour of populism out of desire for votes rather than actually believing in those policies. This was the point and it applies to right wing estremists as well. They hide behind populist ideas to convince voters that they're listening to them more than the left, but their ideals are much more extreme than those held by may of those voters.


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Postby #12 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:50 pm

"populist" is not necessarily "popular" or a majority of people! Populist means fishing for votes of different groups of society (which right wingers ironically hate or claim they don't exist at all )... Effects of that may very much be negative, but can be positive as well...

@FCBM: what is "the West" and why has it failed?

As for the claims: I don't want "real" socialism if that is it... Of course people are being deported, when misbehaving or not adapting in other ways... It's bullshit to expect us to take in everyone in order to be liberal or social...

The claim is partly true... Many working class people turned to AFD from former SPD support... Now they are partly going back to SPD... Many far lefts fight for the smallest of minorities, which in itself is nothing bad, quite the contrary! But they forget that there's also other problems (much like the right btw, they are more alike than they would ever admit...) and the people that actually made them great/big...
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Postby ramsej84 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:04 pm

What is Vic Orban for you?
Or the Polish and Slovak and even the Czech PMs?
IMO a populist is someone like Wilders who said that he wants all Mosques closed and a ban on the Quran(a move which will radicalize more weak minds)

Le Pen what do you think of her ? she too has great ideas for France...


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Postby #12 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:23 pm

Idiot, retards, an idiotic retard... LePen is different... That's why she's more dangerous... "Great" ideas? She has ideas... Even if they would work... In the long run they would be bad for all of Europe...
I'm not even sure if what Trump is doing is not (at first) helping the American economy... The questions are: will it have an ultimate effect perceptible for the people, and: will it last? And what will its effects and repercussions be? And I think that is where your whole "good things for your own country" idea gets twisted ramsej
I know it worked somehow in the past... But man tends to romanticize... It was neither better, nor easier... There's no real going back, and forcing it would make matters "worse" (I think they're not too bad actually...) and atop of that evoke a ton of new problems, (economic) war being the most apparent and foreseeable one...

If everyone is only doing what's best for themselves without compromise, where would it lead? And how is it any different from Raubtierkapitalismus?
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Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:19 pm

#12 wrote:@FCBM: what is "the West" and why has it failed?

It's the left that failed, not the west.

As for the rest of your comment, a bit of time was actually dedicated to AfD's narrative but I was slightly distracted and probably misunderstood that part.
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Postby ramsej84 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:03 pm

Ppl are fed up... let's wait for the Dutch and the French vote...
Germany is a different thing...
Sweden Denmark and Finland Italy and Austria will be moving in the same direction

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Re: German members...

Postby #12 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:24 am

Ok... So how exactly is that supposed to be an argument? And if it were: how is being fed up a good advisor? You probably male all your decisions during rush hour, not when you're sane and calm?
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Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:26 am

And I highly doubt Sweden will change :P
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Re: German members...

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:39 am

Citizens want social services to be divided among them not with economic migrants... take Italy for example it is a disgrace...
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Re: German members...

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:17 pm

Just saw a house which is named Kirwa... (a Bavarian feast) :cheers:
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Re: German members...

Postby #12 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:15 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Citizens want social services to be divided among them not with economic migrants... take Italy for example it is a disgrace...


Still dumb... Cause it's neither more or less now than before and it wouldn't be more or less without them... And you are once again reserving the right to judge who is what...
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