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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:07 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:I like Pope Francis as I liked John Paul II but he's said some crazy stuff. For example, he's declared that pets can go to heaven (or so it was reported). I mean, how can a human being decide that?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/12/world ... index.html

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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby America USA » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:34 pm

Ramej I mean religious texts that promote an US vs THEM group mentality. Abrahamic religions are the worst offenders. Christianity and Islam in particular. Religions that draw a clear divide between believers and unbelievers are IMO chief culprits.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:42 pm

America USA wrote:Ramej I mean religious texts that promote an US vs THEM group mentality. Abrahamic religions are the worst offenders. Christianity and Islam in particular. Religions that draw a clear divide between believers and unbelievers are IMO chief culprits.
You are wrong Roman Catholicism doesn't teach that (I don't know the Christian Sects what they do)
In fact our Church preach to love our enemies let alone the other adherents of the other Religions

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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:46 pm

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America USA wrote:Ramej I mean religious texts that promote an US vs THEM group mentality. Abrahamic religions are the worst offenders. Christianity and Islam in particular. Religions that draw a clear divide between believers and unbelievers are IMO chief culprits.
You are wrong Roman Catholicism doesn't teach that (I don't know the Christian Sects what they do)
In fact our Church preach to love our enemies let alone the other adherents of the other Religions

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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:51 pm

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America USA wrote:Ramej I mean religious texts that promote an US vs THEM group mentality. Abrahamic religions are the worst offenders. Christianity and Islam in particular. Religions that draw a clear divide between believers and unbelievers are IMO chief culprits.
You are wrong Roman Catholicism doesn't teach that (I don't know the Christian Sects what they do)
In fact our Church preach to love our enemies let alone the other adherents of the other Religions

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What is wrong with what the New Testament says,?

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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:56 pm

ramsej84 wrote:What is wrong with what the New Testament says,?

Let's see. If I was to follow the Gospel of John, I would have to ban everyone on the forum who is not a Christian.

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:00 pm

Some living beings are so low...
Unbelievable, how come such statements are not punished?
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:23 pm

America USA wrote:After deep though and based on my life experience till now, I have come to the conclusion that Tribalism is the root cause of all conflicts/suffering/discrimination and misery on this planet. The sooner we as a species can evolve out of this primitive Tribalistic mentality the sooner we can achieve World Peace and Genuine Equality.

Humanism is the way forward. Sadly, this is easier said than done though :(

P.S. Don’t know if this was a rant but I thought this would be the best thread for the above post. Sometimes I feel sorry for us humans and how our species are still guided by outdated tribal notions such as Religion, Class, Caste, Race, Groups, etc, etc, etc.
Karl Marx...

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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby America USA » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:53 pm

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America USA wrote:After deep though and based on my life experience till now, I have come to the conclusion that Tribalism is the root cause of all conflicts/suffering/discrimination and misery on this planet. The sooner we as a species can evolve out of this primitive Tribalistic mentality the sooner we can achieve World Peace and Genuine Equality.

Humanism is the way forward. Sadly, this is easier said than done though :(

P.S. Don’t know if this was a rant but I thought this would be the best thread for the above post. Sometimes I feel sorry for us humans and how our species are still guided by outdated tribal notions such as Religion, Class, Caste, Race, Groups, etc, etc, etc.
Karl Marx...


What? Is that supposed to be an insult?

And Ramsej I like how you ducked MUTU’s previous post.

Also lol at that loser on twitter, why even give such idiots attention? Good thing I don’t use that pathetic website.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:09 pm

America USA wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:
America USA wrote:After deep though and based on my life experience till now, I have come to the conclusion that Tribalism is the root cause of all conflicts/suffering/discrimination and misery on this planet. The sooner we as a species can evolve out of this primitive Tribalistic mentality the sooner we can achieve World Peace and Genuine Equality.

Humanism is the way forward. Sadly, this is easier said than done though :(

P.S. Don’t know if this was a rant but I thought this would be the best thread for the above post. Sometimes I feel sorry for us humans and how our species are still guided by outdated tribal notions such as Religion, Class, Caste, Race, Groups, etc, etc, etc.
Karl Marx...


What? Is that supposed to be an insult?

And Ramsej I like how you ducked MUTU’s previous post.

Also lol at that loser on twitter, why even give such idiots attention? Good thing I don’t use that pathetic website.
Exactly before posting that on tv there was a guy who said the same thing, he was quoting Karl Marx. I don't think you are Marxist but that is exactly what he thought .
Sorry I did not comprehend what you wrote about what I did to a previous post by mutu

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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby America USA » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:18 pm

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:What is wrong with what the New Testament says,?

Let's see. If I was to follow the Gospel of John, I would have to ban everyone on the forum who is not a Christian.

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.


@Ramsej - This post, you just ignored it.

ramsej84 wrote:Exactly before posting that on tv there was a guy who said the same thing, he was quoting Karl Marx. I don't think you are Marxist but that is exactly what he thought .
Sorry I did not comprehend what you wrote about what I did to a previous post by mutu


If that is what Karl Marx thought then good for him! That guy has been dead for more than 100 years and It’s a shame that our species has not improved much in that regard (and unfortunately things only look like getting worse)

And let me get this straight? You’re trying to justify/make excuses for Tribalistic “Us against Them” mentality, right?
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:41 pm

I answered that "tribalism" before.
We are all sons and daughters of God...
My Church does not teach them and us

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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:45 am

Karl Marx, from what I've read of his, was a very clever guy. His writings make a lot of sense. Their supposed implementation failed totally though.

It's worth remembering that he wasn't a politician himself. So-called Marxist policies sometimes barely have any relation to him.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:28 am

ramsej84 wrote:I answered that "tribalism" before.
We are all sons and daughters of God...
My Church does not teach them and us

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And I showed you proof how they do teach us them and us. It's in the Gospel of John, the New Testament.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby aterford » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 am

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:What is wrong with what the New Testament says,?

Let's see. If I was to follow the Gospel of John, I would have to ban everyone on the forum who is not a Christian.

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.


First off, this is from the book of 2nd John, which is entirely different than the Gospel of John.
As such, this provides an entirely different context.
The particular pericope in question was written in response to docetism (see v. 7), a doctrine of gnosticism that purports Christ did not have a physical body but rather a phantasm or "celestial" body and as such his sufferings were only "apparent" rather than actually having experienced said suffering in the physical realm.
We then see that the immediate context of 2 John is then to not show hospitality to false teachers who promoted such doctrine. At this time, Gnosticism had quite well influenced the Christian church and it was not uncommon for Gnostic teachings to find their way into orthodox congregations. John's warning then, is not to have nothing to do with unbelievers altogether - but rather to not provide for such false teachers. In a time when preachers/teachers would travel the land and one was expected to house/feed/support them when they visited your church, John tells the audience of his letter to not allow these false teachers to have an audience with their church and to have them pass by and move along to the next town/church. At the end of the day, he's effectively just telling the church to not allow false teachers to teach at said church.

In short, John isn't forbidding contact with non-believers and he's not saying you've got to ban all non-Christians from the forum :D

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