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Postby #12 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:52 pm

ramsej84 wrote:police spokesman told Times of Malta that at around 1am a fight broke out among a group of Syrian nationals at a crowded entertainment venue in the nightlife district.

Police unholstered taser guns and wrestled civilians to the ground as a brawl among some 50 revellers broke out in Paceville on New Year’s Day.  

Syrians = islam = alcohol = western girls= western music = Haram = trouble

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/ ... awl.842238
It’s not just Syrians and Muslims that start trouble when there’s alcohol involved...
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:56 pm

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ramsej84 wrote:police spokesman told Times of Malta that at around 1am a fight broke out among a group of Syrian nationals at a crowded entertainment venue in the nightlife district.

Police unholstered taser guns and wrestled civilians to the ground as a brawl among some 50 revellers broke out in Paceville on New Year’s Day.  

Syrians = islam = alcohol = western girls= western music = Haram = trouble

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/ ... awl.842238
It’s not just Syrians and Muslims that start trouble when there’s alcohol involved...
The English are the most famous of course ...
But guys whom are not used to it get drunk just by the scent of it
U l-Kotra qamet f’daqqa – u għajtet: “Jien Maltija!
Miskin min ikasbarni, - miskin min jidħak bija!”
U l-Kotra għanniet f’daqqa – u semmgħet ma’ l-irjieħ
L-Innu ta’ Malta tagħna, – u l-leħen kien rebbieħ,
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby #12 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:22 pm

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ramsej84 wrote:police spokesman told Times of Malta that at around 1am a fight broke out among a group of Syrian nationals at a crowded entertainment venue in the nightlife district.

Police unholstered taser guns and wrestled civilians to the ground as a brawl among some 50 revellers broke out in Paceville on New Year’s Day.  

Syrians = islam = alcohol = western girls= western music = Haram = trouble

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/ ... awl.842238
It’s not just Syrians and Muslims that start trouble when there’s alcohol involved...
The English are the most famous of course ...
But guys whom are not used to it get drunk just by the scent of it
Also a little stereotypical...

I‘m nit disagreeing, it‘s just that these incidents get a lot of attention, while it’s "normal" for Westerners...

Btw... There were two firework deaths in Germany last night despite a ban on selling and lighting them and a general curfew... There’s stupid people everywhere...
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby #12 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:23 pm

Nice article about the Brecit, which I will leave uncommented for reasons of board rules...

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/202 ... ationalism
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:40 pm

I’ve been reading a very interesting book that contextualises globalisation well. It offers a lot of insight into Brexit and while both the author and I remain very much in favour of globalisation and the EU it does help one understand some of the motivations behind Brexit (and Trump).

Remainers come in two. Most of them are simply hate immigrants and spout the propaganda they’ve been taught (“FISH! Sovereignty!!!”) but then there are those who raise very valid points and real concerns. For example I find it quite hard to disagree with a friend of mine’s dad because his viewpoints are very valid, even if neither I nor his daughter agree with his opinion.

I think a lot of it comes down to background. The UK is the longest unconquered nation in the world. It’s easy for them to see something like the EU taking away their freedom. It’s not the same for most of us. For a lot of Europe, totalitarianism or imperialism are within living memory. We can see, very clearly, that the EU is not the same, that is collaboration not dictation.

His (and their) concerns are valid, but their solution is incorrect and largely based on misinformation about how the EU works. We’ve managed to inform him quite a bit about that though we still disagree.

The EU needs to improve on a number of things, and it is mostly in the process of doing so. Abandoning it won’t bring anyone any benefits. On the contrary, it will make tue biggest issues of our time more difficult to handle.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby #12 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:18 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:I’ve been reading a very interesting book that contextualises globalisation well. It offers a lot of insight into Brexit and while both the author and I remain very much in favour of globalisation and the EU it does help one understand some of the motivations behind Brexit (and Trump).

Remainers come in two. Most of them are simply hate immigrants and spout the propaganda they’ve been taught (“FISH! Sovereignty!!!”) but then there are those who raise very valid points and real concerns. For example I find it quite hard to disagree with a friend of mine’s dad because his viewpoints are very valid, even if neither I nor his daughter agree with his opinion.

I think a lot of it comes down to background. The UK is the longest unconquered nation in the world. It’s easy for them to see something like the EU taking away their freedom. It’s not the same for most of us. For a lot of Europe, totalitarianism or imperialism are within living memory. We can see, very clearly, that the EU is not the same, that is collaboration not dictation.

His (and their) concerns are valid, but their solution is incorrect and largely based on misinformation about how the EU works. We’ve managed to inform him quite a bit about that though we still disagree.

The EU needs to improve on a number of things, and it is mostly in the process of doing so. Abandoning it won’t bring anyone any benefits. On the contrary, it will make tue biggest issues of our time more difficult to handle.
Hey, I am against some globalization issues as much as the next guy... People possessing like 200 BILLION like Mr. Bezos shouldn’t even exist... But let’s be honest: we all ordered on Amazon at some point... We cannot turn back time - or globalization for that matter - and there's A LOT of benefits... But their "solution" is a make-belief... Actually, some socialist ideas are the way to go here... But that would have to be a multilateral effort and you cannot expect the US or GB to go down that road (for now)...
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Fénix » Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:21 pm

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The first baby in Croatia was born on 01.01.2021 at 00:01h at the hospital in the city where earthquake caused a catastrophe - Sisak. :) The little boy's home is in the epicenter of the tragedy, in neighboring town Petrinja that is shaking all the time - it ceased to exist, became a ruin.

Very beautiful and positive news for all of us. :)
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:24 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:I’ve been reading a very interesting book that contextualises globalisation well. It offers a lot of insight into Brexit and while both the author and I remain very much in favour of globalisation and the EU it does help one understand some of the motivations behind Brexit (and Trump).

Remainers come in two. Most of them are simply hate immigrants and spout the propaganda they’ve been taught (“FISH! Sovereignty!!!”) but then there are those who raise very valid points and real concerns. For example I find it quite hard to disagree with a friend of mine’s dad because his viewpoints are very valid, even if neither I nor his daughter agree with his opinion.

I think a lot of it comes down to background. The UK is the longest unconquered nation in the world. It’s easy for them to see something like the EU taking away their freedom. It’s not the same for most of us. For a lot of Europe, totalitarianism or imperialism are within living memory. We can see, very clearly, that the EU is not the same, that is collaboration not dictation.

His (and their) concerns are valid, but their solution is incorrect and largely based on misinformation about how the EU works. We’ve managed to inform him quite a bit about that though we still disagree.

The EU needs to improve on a number of things, and it is mostly in the process of doing so. Abandoning it won’t bring anyone any benefits. On the contrary, it will make tue biggest issues of our time more difficult to handle.
Can you highlight some of this wise men thoughts?-
U l-Kotra qamet f’daqqa – u għajtet: “Jien Maltija!
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U l-Kotra għanniet f’daqqa – u semmgħet ma’ l-irjieħ
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby MUTU » Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:38 pm

ramsej84 wrote:police spokesman told Times of Malta that at around 1am a fight broke out among a group of Syrian nationals at a crowded entertainment venue in the nightlife district.

Police unholstered taser guns and wrestled civilians to the ground as a brawl among some 50 revellers broke out in Paceville on New Year’s Day.  

Syrians = islam = alcohol = western girls= western music = Haram = trouble

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/ ... awl.842238

ramsej84 = racism.

That's for sure. Also, real Muslims don't drink alcohol.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:55 pm

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:police spokesman told Times of Malta that at around 1am a fight broke out among a group of Syrian nationals at a crowded entertainment venue in the nightlife district.

Police unholstered taser guns and wrestled civilians to the ground as a brawl among some 50 revellers broke out in Paceville on New Year’s Day.  

Syrians = islam = alcohol = western girls= western music = Haram = trouble

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/ ... awl.842238

ramsej84 = racism.

That's for sure. Also, real Muslims don't drink alcohol.
ramsej84 = truth

I know... I was pointing to the fact that they shouldn't have been there ... not only cause of covid restrictions but cause their Religion Says so
U l-Kotra qamet f’daqqa – u għajtet: “Jien Maltija!
Miskin min ikasbarni, - miskin min jidħak bija!”
U l-Kotra għanniet f’daqqa – u semmgħet ma’ l-irjieħ
L-Innu ta’ Malta tagħna, – u l-leħen kien rebbieħ,
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Fénix » Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:07 pm

MUTU wrote:Also, real Muslims don't drink alcohol.

Completely wrong, @MUTU.

Muslims do drink alcohol. You just haven't seen them drinking yet just as you haven't seen them eating bacon and pork, etc. :wink:

Islam has been sold to religiously and historically ignorant Westerners as something universal, unique and united and from what I saw and learned, they aren't, in fact they are very far from that just like everyone else.
Universal means everything under one hat, one school, one teaching, no Sunni-Shia conflict since the death of Muhammed and we see all opposite, even some part of world's instability is caused by this clash.

That's already a debate, but they do drink alcohol, listen and play music, drive cars, have premarital intimacy, etc.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby #12 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:17 pm

Fénix wrote:
MUTU wrote:Also, real Muslims don't drink alcohol.

Completely wrong, @MUTU.

Muslims do drink alcohol. You just haven't seen them drinking yet just as you haven't seen them eating bacon and pork, etc. :wink:

Islam has been sold to religiously and historically ignorant Westerners as something universal, unique and united and from what I saw and learned, they aren't, in fact they are very far from that just like everyone else.
Universal means everything under one hat, one school, one teaching, no Sunni-Shia conflict since the death of Muhammed and we see all opposite, even some part of world's instability is caused by this clash.

That's already a debate, but they do drink alcohol, listen and play music, drive cars, have premarital intimacy, etc.
Wait a minute...
WAIT A MINUTE...
W A I T A M I N U T E...

Are you saying they’re just like Christians? Just like us?

NO WAY!!!

















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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Fénix » Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:48 pm

You as a multi-culti guy should know that better than me when you have a whole jungle in your country who is doing almost whatever they want as long as they are integrated(not assimilated). :D Turks are everywhere around you. :lol:
Don't tell me you have never tried Yeni Raki, Efes Pilsen and other Turkish alcohol drinks? :)

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Albanian minority from Kosovo is present here for decades, more Muslim than Catholic folks. For 5 years I was swimming in alcohol with Muslim Albanians, they like red/white wines and fancy drinks more than anything. :mrgreen:

Bosniaks are publicly getting drunk everywhere they live, in both BiH and Croatia. Not all, but majority of them. I won't forget that ride and cca 65 year old man in Zenica city standing on one bridge at 8.30 am with a 1L glass bottle of rakija almost empty, dead drunk. :lol: :lol: :lol: Allah-u-ekber! :D

The only thing I haven't seen from them is eating pork or at least paying attention when we were at restaurants. But every Muslim Albanian household doesn't allow children and young sisters to leave homes and going to nightlife. :lol:

Bosniaks do whatever they want, no restrictions. Just take a look at Džeko, Ibišević and many other Bosniaks, their wives are miss universe, top models, naked, in celebrity shows like Farm, Big Brother, etc.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:29 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Can you highlight some of this wise men thoughts?-


Two I can remember off the top of my head:
- countries should go their own way because the EU failed to provide prosperity for everyone - it’s a sustem where the winners gain a lot and the losers lose more. Which is true, it’s undeniable - poorer countries have suffered a severe brain drain which is holding them back thanks to freedom of movement. Yet I don’t see how going their own way changes anything. I expect the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer post-Brexit.
- he is not against foreigners or even against immigration at all (as most are)... after all he is my friend haha. He agrees with me that it’s BS that the UK’s new system effectively shuts people like me out - highly educated, earning much more than their set threshold, fluent English - simply because we are freelancers. He also agrees that some degree of freedom of movement should be allowed, by which he means less bureaucracy and easier permits; his daughter is an actress who was touring Italy in a show when Covid hit and she had to return home. She won’t be able to resume that when the show eventually resumes because as from today it is much more complicated for artists to be able to work in Europe, even temporarily. What he argues though is that while freedom of movement is ideal and offers a lot of individual benefits, it is not good for society as a whole because you end up with mass migration from certain countries to others, as we’ve seen in Malta.

His viewpoints are very sensible and I like talking to him. I agree these are issues, but Brexit does not solve them. It won’t change anything. I think it comes down to an individual benefit vs common good kind of doing and I honestly see no reason why, in this case, voters shouldn’t be looking at individual benefit. Individually, almost everyone in the UK is going to be worse off. What does it matter for them if that fisherman 500km away can now catch a little more fish or if the silent security guard at the local supermarket is British instead of Polish?

I like him because he’s identified the right issues and acknowledged the good of it, instead of just repeating Farage and Boris’s lies. But he doesn’t have the solution.
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Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:51 pm

#12 wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:police spokesman told Times of Malta that at around 1am a fight broke out among a group of Syrian nationals at a crowded entertainment venue in the nightlife district.

Police unholstered taser guns and wrestled civilians to the ground as a brawl among some 50 revellers broke out in Paceville on New Year’s Day.  

Syrians = islam = alcohol = western girls= western music = Haram = trouble

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/ ... awl.842238
It’s not just Syrians and Muslims that start trouble when there’s alcohol involved...
In fact, this one, also from last night, involved Maltese people:

https://fb.watch/2L6BbswoOe/

(Had to include the parody video with the song because I couldn’t find the original one haha)
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