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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby #12 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:43 pm

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:Lukas, do you think the pandemic will impact the Brexit negotiations or do you think Boris will stubbornly insist on crashing out in December whatever the case? I saw Northern Ireland has now backed an extension of the transition period through a vote. Scotland is also obviously in favour.

There is a growing consensus among even many conservatives that the negotiations must be extended. I believe the EU have given until October for him to make a decision.

What Johnson wants is what will happen though that’s just how he is. I fear he will keep being his usual stubborn self
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby RedQueen » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:57 pm

I don't get it. 130 schools and pre-schools have been closed down again in Israel, three weeks after re-opening.

Netherlands have re-opened schools at about the same time. Yet there seem to be no problems in the Netherlands. Why? What are they doing differently :?: :?: :?:
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:54 pm

RedQueen wrote:I don't get it. 130 schools and pre-schools have been closed down again in Israel, three weeks after re-opening.

Netherlands have re-opened schools at about the same time. Yet there seem to be no problems in the Netherlands. Why? What are they doing differently :?: :?: :?:
Could it be that Israel is facing a second wave?
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby Lukas » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:58 pm

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RedQueen wrote:I don't get it. 130 schools and pre-schools have been closed down again in Israel, three weeks after re-opening.

Netherlands have re-opened schools at about the same time. Yet there seem to be no problems in the Netherlands. Why? What are they doing differently :?: :?: :?:
Could it be that Israel is facing a second wave?

But why are they facing a second wave so soon but not the Netherlands? Or anywhere in Europe?
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby Lukas » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:03 pm

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:Lukas, do you think the pandemic will impact the Brexit negotiations or do you think Boris will stubbornly insist on crashing out in December whatever the case? I saw Northern Ireland has now backed an extension of the transition period through a vote. Scotland is also obviously in favour.

There is a growing consensus among even many conservatives that the negotiations must be extended. I believe the EU have given until October for him to make a decision.

What Johnson wants is what will happen though that’s just how he is. I fear he will keep being his usual stubborn self
Am I the only one seeing the irony, in times of crisis, the "independent" UK wants to milk the "stealing" EU some more to cushion the blow? Golden!

I have no idea I can only see it from my (remain) side that we need to leave with a deal, if we really must leave at all and “respect democracy”. This was my opinion before this crisis and it is even more imperative now
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:10 pm

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ramsej84 wrote:
RedQueen wrote:I don't get it. 130 schools and pre-schools have been closed down again in Israel, three weeks after re-opening.

Netherlands have re-opened schools at about the same time. Yet there seem to be no problems in the Netherlands. Why? What are they doing differently :?: :?: :?:
Could it be that Israel is facing a second wave?

But why are they facing a second wave so soon but not the Netherlands? Or anywhere in Europe?
I don’t know the details of Israel’s case but it might well just be bad luck.
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:07 am

Is their airport open? It might be the case of imported cases, either Israelis coming back or some mad tourists
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:15 pm

It is rare that asymptomatic persons with Covid-19 infect others [source]
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:32 pm

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It is rare that asymptomatic persons with Covid-19 infect others [source]
Interesting. I remember discussing this with #12 some weeks ago.
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby RedQueen » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:16 pm

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It is rare that asymptomatic persons with Covid-19 infect others [source]

They've already been backpedalling on this.
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At the same time, WHO officials acknowledged on Tuesday some modeling studies have suggested as much as 41 percent of transmission may be due to asymptomatic people.
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:40 pm

Aaaand the debate continues haha
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby RedQueen » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:20 pm

Learned in yesterdays Drosten Podcast that pharma companies are working on re-shaping Remdesivir into an inhalative medication, which could be given to patients in the very early stages when they're just starting to develop symptoms. Remdesivir according to Drosten is actually a drug that should be given in early stages, when the virus hasn't yet attacked other organs or caused overshooting immune reactions or other problems, because it's specifically designed to inhibit virus replication. By inhaling it, it could directly affect respiratory organs, without having to pass through digestive tract and the blood stream. If successful, this could prevent a lot of severe cases and deaths.

There's been a lot of hopeful news lately, to the point where science journalists in Germany are already arguing there's a chance we could eliminate the virus completely. Yesterday our health minister Spahn said in a presser "we want to nip the virus in the bud", which seems to indicate another change of strategy (from "we have to prevent a collapse of our health system", to "we want to control local outbreaks", to "we want to eliminate it more or less completely").
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby Fénix » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:35 pm

ramsej84 wrote:
It is rare that asymptomatic persons with Covid-19 infect others [source]

In Croatian case it's false.

Croats who returned from Sweden 4-5 weeks ago were all asymptomatic and they infected dozens of people in 4-5 days, in airplane passengers who were in other countries and their own family and friends at home.

They had no idea they were infected/sick all the time.

p.s. My county today has become offically COVID free. :)
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:46 pm

RedQueen wrote:Learned in yesterdays Drosten Podcast that pharma companies are working on re-shaping Remdesivir into an inhalative medication, which could be given to patients in the very early stages when they're just starting to develop symptoms. Remdesivir according to Drosten is actually a drug that should be given in early stages, when the virus hasn't yet attacked other organs or caused overshooting immune reactions or other problems, because it's specifically designed to inhibit virus replication. By inhaling it, it could directly affect respiratory organs, without having to pass through digestive tract and the blood stream. If successful, this could prevent a lot of severe cases and deaths.

There's been a lot of hopeful news lately, to the point where science journalists in Germany are already arguing there's a chance we could eliminate the virus completely. Yesterday our health minister Spahn said in a presser "we want to nip the virus in the bud", which seems to indicate another change of strategy (from "we have to prevent a collapse of our health system", to "we want to control local outbreaks", to "we want to eliminate it more or less completely").
Will it be available worldwide wide?
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Re: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Postby RedQueen » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:55 pm

ramsej84 wrote:
RedQueen wrote:Learned in yesterdays Drosten Podcast that pharma companies are working on re-shaping Remdesivir into an inhalative medication, which could be given to patients in the very early stages when they're just starting to develop symptoms. Remdesivir according to Drosten is actually a drug that should be given in early stages, when the virus hasn't yet attacked other organs or caused overshooting immune reactions or other problems, because it's specifically designed to inhibit virus replication. By inhaling it, it could directly affect respiratory organs, without having to pass through digestive tract and the blood stream. If successful, this could prevent a lot of severe cases and deaths.

There's been a lot of hopeful news lately, to the point where science journalists in Germany are already arguing there's a chance we could eliminate the virus completely. Yesterday our health minister Spahn said in a presser "we want to nip the virus in the bud", which seems to indicate another change of strategy (from "we have to prevent a collapse of our health system", to "we want to control local outbreaks", to "we want to eliminate it more or less completely").
Will it be available worldwide wide?

Remdesivir? It's already been approved of in the US, I think in Japan, too, and will probably be approved of in Europe soon. But so far, only as powder for intravenous therapy.
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