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Re: Balkan members

Postby IsiahRashad » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:37 pm

FCB general wrote:Hahahahahahahahaha, I'm dying! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I still remember the comment from the Slavorum FB page from the last year where one Bulgarian wrote how Macedonians aren't Bulgarians, but when it comes to leave to Macedonia and go EU countries, they suddenly start exploring the family tree to find a Bulgarian ancestors, ie great-grandfather so they could apply for Bulgarian citizenship. :mrgreen:
The way that guy described in English was awesome!!! :lol: You could easily translate to Croatian and get the perfect impression and emotions, haha. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Funny thing how is often said that we are all 'brothers', but we barely stand each other. :D



I just remembered that.. :mrgreen:

To be honest, i have problems on my own, so i couldn't care less about them, i care about my babushka'S. :D
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Re: Balkan members

Postby FCB general » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:43 pm

What's the whole thing with babushka? I haven't figured out, yet.
Is that some joke or what? :)

btew. Are your languages absolutely the same?
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Re: Balkan members

Postby IsiahRashad » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:12 am

FCB general wrote:What's the whole thing with babushka? I haven't figured out, yet.
Is that some joke or what? :)

btew. Are your languages absolutely the same?
Linguistically the current so-called “Macedonian” language was and is infact a Bulgarian dialect. In general, Slavic-speaking Orthodox Christians on the territory of Macedonia at the beginning of the nineteenth century, insofar as they were aware of a language-based identity marker at all, usually chose the label Bulgarian. Among the populations of Macedonia's western and northern regions, the option Serbian was occasionally selected. The small Slavic-speaking intelligentsia that emerged in Macedonia during this period usually envisioned a Bulgarian literary language based on their dialects or at the very least a literary language incorporating most of these dialects to a significant degree. Yes, it's very, very close.
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Re: Balkan members

Postby FCB general » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:27 am

So, this means we do can understand each other a bit despite not knowing each other's language. :)
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Re: Balkan members

Postby FCB general » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:32 am

Macedonia agrees to new name after 27-year dispute with Greece [source]


“After months of negotiation we have managed to reach a deal that will solve our longstanding difference over the name of our neighbour,” said the Greek prime minister, Alexis Tsipras. “They have agreed to rename their country the Republic of North Macedonia, a change that will apply in their international and bilateral relations and domestically.”

The new name not only made a clear distinction between Greek Macedonia and the country’s northern neighbour, but put a decisive end to the irredentism the country’s erstwhile title had conveyed, he said.

“The deal that we have reached for the first time ensures that they do not have, and in the future can never claim, any relationship to the ancient Greek civilisation of Macedonia. I am deeply convinced that this agreement is a great diplomatic victory, but also a historic opportunity ... a historic moment for the Balkans and our peoples.”


So, they can finally start driving their vehicle to Brussels and Washington... as far as Greece is concerned. :)
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Re: Balkan members

Postby IsiahRashad » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:33 am

FCB general wrote:So, this means we do can understand each other a bit despite not knowing each other's language. :)


Prav si. :roll: :)
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Re: Balkan members

Postby FCB general » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:43 am

IsiahRashad wrote:
FCB general wrote:So, this means we do can understand each other a bit despite not knowing each other's language. :)


Prav si. :roll: :)

Vi to bolje radite nego mi. :D Vidi samo Krasimira Balakova u Hajduku ili Ivajla Peteva u Dinamu. :mrgreen:
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Re: Balkan members

Postby IsiahRashad » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:53 pm

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IsiahRashad wrote:
FCB general wrote:So, this means we do can understand each other a bit despite not knowing each other's language. :)


Prav si. :roll: :)

Vi to bolje radite nego mi. :D Vidi samo Krasimira Balakova u Hajduku ili Ivajla Peteva u Dinamu. :mrgreen:


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Re: Balkan members

Postby Hardrade » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:09 pm

IsiahRashad wrote:
FCB general wrote:What's the whole thing with babushka? I haven't figured out, yet.
Is that some joke or what? :)

btew. Are your languages absolutely the same?
Linguistically the current so-called “Macedonian” language was and is infact a Bulgarian dialect. In general, Slavic-speaking Orthodox Christians on the territory of Macedonia at the beginning of the nineteenth century, insofar as they were aware of a language-based identity marker at all, usually chose the label Bulgarian. Among the populations of Macedonia's western and northern regions, the option Serbian was occasionally selected. The small Slavic-speaking intelligentsia that emerged in Macedonia during this period usually envisioned a Bulgarian literary language based on their dialects or at the very least a literary language incorporating most of these dialects to a significant degree. Yes, it's very, very close.


The Macedonian question was always complex in the perspective of Serbian-Bulgarian relations, especially in the context of early 20th century. Both countries tend to regard population of Macedonia as estranged version of self. I myself can understand Macedonian much better than Bulgarian or Slovenian, for instance.

The lack of clarity in the collective perception of Macedonian identity led to some rather absurd exceptionalist theories about legacy of Alexander the Great and Antigonids as the foundation of modern slavic Macedonian state...
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Re: Balkan members

Postby YlonenXabi » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:24 pm

Hey FCB General

I'm planning a trip around either Greece or Croatia this summer. Maybe end of july or august. I would be going with a girl that I met in Australia and loves to travel

I know that Croatia has beautiful beaches and stuff like that but I would appreciate if you could give me a list of things that you think we should see in case we decide to go there. Not necessarily the main attractions. Maybe you know some not so popular spots that you can recommend me as well.
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Re: Balkan members

Postby shpati_L1 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:37 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:Hey FCB General

I'm planning a trip around either Greece or Croatia this summer. Maybe end of july or august. I would be going with a girl that I met in Australia and loves to travel

I know that Croatia has beautiful beaches and stuff like that but I would appreciate if you could give me a list of things that you think we should see in case we decide to go there. Not necessarily the main attractions. Maybe you know some not so popular spots that you can recommend me as well.


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Re: Balkan members

Postby FCB general » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:46 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:Hey FCB General

I'm planning a trip around either Greece or Croatia this summer. Maybe end of july or august. I would be going with a girl that I met in Australia and loves to travel

I know that Croatia has beautiful beaches and stuff like that but I would appreciate if you could give me a list of things that you think we should see in case we decide to go there. Not necessarily the main attractions. Maybe you know some not so popular spots that you can recommend me as well.

You're asking the wrong person who's far from the coast. :) :oops: :oops: :oops:

I don't spend vacation on the coast, unfortunately. There are many places in Dalmatia and Istria you could visit.

Dubrovnik is the top destination and damn crowded and expensive when the season is on top.

Zadar, Vodice, Tribunj, Makarska, Biograd na moru... That's all Dalmatian places on the coast. Then if you prefer islands... Hvar, Brač, Korčula, Čiovo... Maybe something like that. There are a lot of places and islands.

It also depends what you want from your vacation; is it just sun, beach and sea(what you already have in Spain) or atractions, seesights, food, beverage, etc. I could give you some popular names and attractions in the PM. :wink:

Desafortunadamente amigo, yo no soy ese tipo de persona que puede recomendar algo especial sobre el turismo. :oops: Eso requiere experiencia personal.
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Re: Balkan members

Postby Bayernbazi » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:45 pm

Hi FCB General.

This euphoria about Croatia have reminded me about a thing about which I have been curious for a long time.

It's about that red white chequered pattern that has become your country's trade mark.

Do you know if it's origins is somewhat related to the Normans ?

It looks like Count Roger I the Norman from the Hauteville family had a chequred red white banner.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauteville_family

He had libereted Sicily and Malta from the Muslims at around 1000.

Legend has it that when he came to Malta he cut a piece of that banner and presented it to the Maltese and it became the national white red flag.

https://www.maltabulb.com/maltese_flag.html

Although this legend has been debated many times, the chequered pattern on the Hauteville coat of arms is a fact.

I tought maybe that their family had something to do with spreading the chequered pattern elsewhere in the Meditarrenean sea.


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Re: Balkan members

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:05 pm

Bayernbazi wrote:Hi FCB General.

This euphoria about Croatia have reminded me about a thing about which I have been curious for a long time.

It's about that red white chequered pattern that has become your country's trade mark.

Do you know if it's origins is somewhat related to the Normans ?

It looks like Count Roger I the Norman from the Hauteville family had a chequred red white banner.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauteville_family

He had libereted Sicily and Malta from the Muslims at around 1000.

Legend has it that when he came to Malta he cut a piece of that banner and presented it to the Maltese and it became the national white red flag.

https://www.maltabulb.com/maltese_flag.html

Although this legend has been discussed many times, the chequered pattern on the Hauteville coat of arms is a fact.

I tought maybe that their family had something to do with spreading the chequered pattern elsewhere in the Meditarrenean sea.


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Re: Balkan members

Postby FCB general » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:34 pm

There are many legends and stories about the white-red chequered pattern, but I think the most famous is about a chess game between a Croatian king Stjepan Držislav and Venetian Doge Peter II. Orseolo.

The legend says that Stjepan Držislav fought many wars with Venetians who wanted to conquer Croatian Adriatic coast and in such war the Croatian king fell into a Venetian slavery and was imprisoned in Venice.

Peter/Pietro II Orseolo heard about the Croatian king as a great player of chess therefore he decided to address him a challenge - if the king beats him in three chess parties, he will be released and allowed to return to his country.

So king Držislav accepted the challenge and beat the Venetian Doge in all three parties. The doge kept his promise and the king could return home. In gratitude, king Držislav took the chessboard as his coat of arms and this has since then our coat of arms.

http://www.croexpress.eu/vijest.php?vijest=4153&fb_comment_id=635875823179244_1009848232448666#f121ca2eca8b114


There is also a believing about white and red fields starting first thereby symbolizing the White and Red Croatia.

When the first field is white, it marks the White Croatia and it means freedom of Croatia while the first red field on the chessboard marks Red Croatia, ie subordinate position. This has never been confirmed, but people often mention this, they even don't accept the current coat of arms and the order of the fields.

The flag and coat of arms through the history predominantly was with first white field, but some groups like Yugoslavian nationalists and Serbs associate this coat of arms exclusively with Ustaha regime even though the order white-red order existed centuries ago as I mentioned.
Ustasha regime were the first to introduce the law in 1941 that specifies with which color starts the first field in coat of arms, ie strictly with the white.

Yugoslavian communist regime banned and forbidden these flags/coat of arms and that order, putting the red field in the first place from the left, labeling and proclaiming the white-red order as fascist and Nazi thing.

But today's Croatian patriots and nationalists prefer the forbidden white-red start which was also spotted on May 30 1990 on the historic session of Croatian State Parliament and Croatian uniforms and flags at the Ban Josip Jelačić square, which was previously the National Day of Croatia, changed in year 2000 after Social Democrats(well-known recognized successors of the Croatian Communist Party) and Croatian Social Liberals took over the charge as well as the mega traitor of a Croatian president Stjepan Mesić.

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