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[2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:45 pm

Spain will win
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It will end in a draw
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Germany will win
1
50%
 
Total votes : 2

Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:00 am

Lukas wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:
Lukas wrote:Feel like Löw has robbed me of my evening. Been looking forward to it all day but ended up switching off after 20 minutes. Now it’s bed time and up again for work in 8 hours.

But no more internationals until March, thank God, and four days until Bayern are back, thank the Lord
You should start supporting your Med friends

Well if I had been put in the Spanish learning section at the start of secondary school rather than the German one, who knows!
Hey I was referring to Malta
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby America USA » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:45 am

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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby aaaaaa » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:34 am

I have to say its really incredible while Bayern is the best team in the world Germany is terrible
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby bmguy » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:43 am

I'm never a fan of 4-3-3 esp without a real CF. Please get back to 4-2-3-1 like Bayern are doing

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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby America USA » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:54 am

aaaaaa wrote:I have to say its really incredible while Bayern is the best team in the world Germany is terrible

The difference a Top class coach can make.

Also helped by the fact that Bayern have the undisputed best CF in Europe right now and also some very good FBs.
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby MUTU » Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:32 am

Dumbledore7 wrote:
aterford wrote:Germany 0-6 vs Spain: Germany 0.12 xG

Schalke 0-8 vs Bayern: Schalke 0.15 xG

Jesus christ

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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby #12 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:20 am

America USA wrote:
aaaaaa wrote:I have to say its really incredible while Bayern is the best team in the world Germany is terrible

The difference a Top class coach can make.

Also helped by the fact that Bayern have the undisputed best CF in Europe right now and also some very good FBs.
Some? Meh...

Don’t think it‘s just cause he’s bad - he’s not THAT bad... Honestly think they want to get rid of him...
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby nm462272 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:34 am

#12 wrote:Don’t think it‘s just cause he’s bad - he’s not THAT bad... Honestly think they want to get rid of him...


Löw, you mean? You think they want to get rid of him? Do you think they're just waiting until after the Euros?
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby Manchu » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:10 am

aaaaaa wrote:I have to say its really incredible while Bayern is the best team in the world Germany is terrible

America USA wrote:
aaaaaa wrote:I have to say its really incredible while Bayern is the best team in the world Germany is terrible

The difference a Top class coach can make.

Also helped by the fact that Bayern have the undisputed best CF in Europe right now and also some very good FBs.

I've said this before, but it's very possible that Germany with a competent coach would be the best national team in the world. It would definitely be within the top 3. The available German talent pool is pretty incredible and the team is literally only a striker and two fullbacks away from having world class players in every position(Neuer fullback-Hummels-Sule-fullback Kimmich-Kroos Sane-Muller-Gnabry Striker, for instance).


Anyways, some scattered thoughts:
1. You could write entire dissertations about how awful Germany's tactics were in this game, but one thing that was particularly exemplified was how only planning on counter-attacking can backfire badly if you fall behind early.
2. Morata might not be the best goal-scorer, but he's a really good player. He does a lot little things that help his team immensely.
3. Who is supposed to lead Germany on the pitch?
4. Sane is either incredibly frustrating or just incredible.
5. Loew's decision not to sub on Julian Brandt at half time was inexplicable(like all his decisions). If there is one thing Brandt has shown in his time at Dortmund, it's the ability to act as a gamechanger as a sub. Germany would have almost certainly still lost, but probably not so badly.

There's so much more I could say, but I'll leave only one last comment: Loew seems like a narcissist to me. Everything is about him but nothing is his fault.
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby Achilles » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:16 am

I can't believe Jogi Low will survive even after this defeat and heartbreaking performance. I can't comprehend it...
Kicked out from Group stage at World Cup. Disappointing level of football since then with the worst defensive approach of German NT ever. Now the biggest defeat humiliation in their history but still keeps his job.

Bierhoff should be sent already too... They will make a useless a very good generation from midfield-attack because of their ego.
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:52 am

Probably they do not want to fire him cause of his rich contract
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby Outis » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:57 am

America USA wrote:
aaaaaa wrote:I have to say its really incredible while Bayern is the best team in the world Germany is terrible

The difference a Top class coach can make.

Also helped by the fact that Bayern have the undisputed best CF in Europe right now and also some very good FBs.


Being "retired" by Löw doesn't sound so bad now, eh? :mrgreen:
People complained he "retired" Müller, Boateng and Hummels... I wish he'd "retire" ALL Bayern players to spare them from further humiliation! It was painful to watch Neuer yesterday.

Löw proved beyond any doubt that he can't be even a caretaker till the next coach. If it was a mutiny or his ineptitude doesn't matter.
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby MUTU » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:28 pm

What does Loew need to do to get fired? Shake hands with Merkel after he's... Well, just shake hands with her really.
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby Mani » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:55 pm

Players like Koch, Max, Tah and Gündogan are the definition of average
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Re: [2020-11-17] Spain vs Germany

Postby MUTU » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:58 pm

Mani wrote:Players like Koch, Max, Tah and Gündogan are the definition of average

I believe Max is the best German LWB.
And Guendogan isn't average. Any coach would take him to Euro 2020.
As for Tah and Koch, well, they're no Hummels or Boateng for sure.
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