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[2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:00 pm

South Korea will win
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It will end in a draw
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Germany will win
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Total votes : 7

Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm

bartsch wrote:Could someone explain to me how Argentina manage to progress when they actually played much more poorly than Germany? When I saw them make it the day before, I thought for sure Germany could do the same. I didn’t expect them to go far, but to at least save face and make it out of the group.

And what was with the constant passing side to side and backwards all the time? It was like rugby tactics. And to always and only send in garbage crosses? I just don’t understand how this was the plan for every single game! I watch better displays of football from MLS! This debacle literally kept me up all night, I have so many questions and no answers are forthcoming.
I'm honestly on the same page as you. Utterly puzzled about the tactics and performances by both Germany and Bayern. The low tempo, the technical impression, the garbage crossing... I seriously don't understand what is happening.

My first thought would be that it's the coach to blame, but it hasn't been only Löw; it was also Ancelotti and Jupp. Same BS tactics the 3 of them. Maybe it's the players... For some extrange reason they forgot how to play in other ways or think the way they are playing is right...?? I - seriously - don't get it.

Some will blame the players for a lack of quality, but that runs against what we know them to be capable of. There's something weird... Like they were damaged by something. Like they forgot how to play all of a sudden...

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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby bartsch » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:04 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
bartsch wrote:Could someone explain to me how Argentina manage to progress when they actually played much more poorly than Germany? When I saw them make it the day before, I thought for sure Germany could do the same. I didn’t expect them to go far, but to at least save face and make it out of the group.

And what was with the constant passing side to side and backwards all the time? It was like rugby tactics. And to always and only send in garbage crosses? I just don’t understand how this was the plan for every single game! I watch better displays of football from MLS! This debacle literally kept me up all night, I have so many questions and no answers are forthcoming.
I'm honestly on the same page as you. Utterly puzzled about the tactics and performances by both Germany and Bayern. The low tempo, the technical impression, the garbage crossing... I seriously don't understand what is happening.

My first thought would be that it's the coach to blame, but it hasn't been only Löw; it was also Ancelotti and Jupp. Same BS tactics the 3 of them. Maybe it's the players... For some extrange reason they forgot how to play in other ways or think the way they are playing is right...?? I - seriously - don't get it.

Some will blame the players for a lack of quality, but that runs against what we know them to be capable of. There's something weird... Like they were damaged by something. Like they forgot how to play all of a sudden...

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Could it also just be poor luck? Sure, they weren't playing to their potential, but you can't honestly say Korea deserved to win. It was a fluke of a goal on that cross, and the second goal is moot. Even with Mexico, Germany had more shots, possession, corners, passes, etc... at a certain point those numbers that are heavily tilted in Germany's favour in every game should lead to positive results.

In the end, after decades of dominance, for the first time myself and many others feel what every other nation has felt on at least one occasion at the WC with an early, disappointing exit.
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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby Dumbledore7 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:11 pm

I have a theory as to why, but I don't want to beat a dead horse breeder :wink:
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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby #12 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:46 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
bartsch wrote:Could someone explain to me how Argentina manage to progress when they actually played much more poorly than Germany? When I saw them make it the day before, I thought for sure Germany could do the same. I didn’t expect them to go far, but to at least save face and make it out of the group.

And what was with the constant passing side to side and backwards all the time? It was like rugby tactics. And to always and only send in garbage crosses? I just don’t understand how this was the plan for every single game! I watch better displays of football from MLS! This debacle literally kept me up all night, I have so many questions and no answers are forthcoming.
I'm honestly on the same page as you. Utterly puzzled about the tactics and performances by both Germany and Bayern. The low tempo, the technical impression, the garbage crossing... I seriously don't understand what is happening.

My first thought would be that it's the coach to blame, but it hasn't been only Löw; it was also Ancelotti and Jupp. Same BS tactics the 3 of them. Maybe it's the players... For some extrange reason they forgot how to play in other ways or think the way they are playing is right...?? I - seriously - don't get it.

Some will blame the players for a lack of quality, but that runs against what we know them to be capable of. There's something weird... Like they were damaged by something. Like they forgot how to play all of a sudden...

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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby tflags » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:58 pm

bartsch wrote:Could someone explain to me how Argentina manage to progress when they actually played much more poorly than Germany?


I think it was only fitting that Maradona was there with them on those matches. As I bet no one could understand what was he doing there and what a poor spectacle he was showing.
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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby America USA » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:23 pm

Seriously I was so optimistic about this game after that hard fought win against Sweden. I thought it gave the team belief and confidence and that we’d win 3-0 or something against a team like South Korea!

Unfortunately Löw lost the plot and once again played Özil and Khedira and started Goretzka as a RW! That idiot cost me money!
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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby MUTU » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:02 pm

This is admittedly not a conclusive replay by any measure, but could the 2nd goal of South Korea have been offside?



The first frame in which you see Son, he is clearly in the German half. If he was already in the German half when the pass was made, he'd have been offside.

Here's another replay, still not conclusive:

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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:18 pm

Korea made a big favor to Germany...
Brazil would have humiliated them

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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby MaCk0y » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:58 pm

MUTU wrote:This is admittedly not a conclusive replay by any measure, but could the 2nd goal of South Korea have been offside?



The first frame in which you see Son, he is clearly in the German half. If he was already in the German half when the pass was made, he'd have been offside.

Here's another replay, still not conclusive:



He was onside. I remember watching a reply during the match and they actually focused on this. He was inside his half.
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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby MUTU » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:28 pm

MaCk0y wrote:He was onside. I remember watching a reply during the match and they actually focused on this. He was inside his half.

Cheers. Actions like this should put to rest the misconception that Suele is a fast player.
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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby sherpthederp » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:06 pm

MUTU wrote:
MaCk0y wrote:He was onside. I remember watching a reply during the match and they actually focused on this. He was inside his half.

Cheers. Actions like this should put to rest the misconception that Suele is a fast player.

That he couldn’t catch one of the fastest players at the tournament that had a 20 meter head start on him?
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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby aterford » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:05 pm

sherpthederp wrote:
MUTU wrote:
MaCk0y wrote:He was onside. I remember watching a reply during the match and they actually focused on this. He was inside his half.

Cheers. Actions like this should put to rest the misconception that Suele is a fast player.

That he couldn’t catch one of the fastest players at the tournament that had a 20 meter head start on him?


After having played 97 minutes, no less.

One could argue about Süle's acceleration - but in terms of top sprint speed he's by no means slow - one of the top 15 fastest players in league per Kicker
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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby Dumbledore7 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:51 pm

MUTU wrote:
MaCk0y wrote:He was onside. I remember watching a reply during the match and they actually focused on this. He was inside his half.

Cheers. Actions like this should put to rest the misconception that Suele is a fast player.

What the ****. In that scenario even Usain Bolt wouldn't have caught up.
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Re: [2018-06-27] South Korea vs Germany

Postby MUTU » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:19 am

sherpthederp wrote:
MUTU wrote:
MaCk0y wrote:He was onside. I remember watching a reply during the match and they actually focused on this. He was inside his half.

Cheers. Actions like this should put to rest the misconception that Suele is a fast player.

That he couldn’t catch one of the fastest players at the tournament that had a 20 meter head start on him?

Did you watch the replay on backwards? They were both at the halfway line, in line, when the cross was taken. We once made fun of Robben overtaking Ramos while setting a world speed record in football. Son didn't set any world records and the lead he built over Suele was not even funny.
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