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[2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:30 pm

Germany will win
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It will end in a draw
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Saudi Arabia will win
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Total votes : 3

[2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby MatchBot » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:15 pm

Germany vs Saudi Arabia
Germany vs Saudi Arabia
Competition: International Friendly
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby America USA » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:00 pm

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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:24 pm

America USA wrote:
Löw should cut the experimenting already and do a standard 433/4231 to get everyone in sync.

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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby America USA » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:36 pm

^ Disagree. A good team is one that can play multiple (or at least 2) formations and is flexible enough to switch tactics when needed.

For instance, Real Madrid can play a 433, 442 and 442d all of them with equal ease.
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:38 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
America USA wrote:
Löw should cut the experimenting already and do a standard 433/4231 to get everyone in sync.

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Reus-Özil-Müller
Kroos-Goretzka(Khedira)
Hector(bah)-Hummels-Boateng(Süle)-Kimmich
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Yeah, we should see more or less the A team in this one
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:51 pm

America USA wrote:^ Disagree. A good team is one that can play multiple (or at least 2) formations and is flexible enough to switch tactics when needed.

For instance, Real Madrid can play a 433, 442 and 442d all of them with equal ease.
While I generally agree with your point (I made the same argument myself in regards to Zidane), I don't think that's true of NTs. NTs get too little time together, so they should stick to the formation they are going to use in the finals. If Löw thinks a 343/352 variation is the way forward, then he should implement it with the starters and go all in on it. But Löw has been trying those formations so much and later just reverting back to 433, which I think is just a waste of training time.

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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby America USA » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:05 am

Under normal circumstances this will be Germany’s lineup:


That team and those particular players have literally played together in that same formation for about two years now! So these friendly games are the best time to experiment around.

In fact in the last World Cup, Germany had been experimenting till the Ro16 and it was only in the QF against France that Germany stopped fiddling around and got real serious.
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby bmguy » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:07 am

kimmich has played so many games, we just don't have any other options on his spot.
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby America USA » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:14 am

bmguy wrote:kimmich has played so many games, we just don't have any other options on his spot.

This is true. Let’s give him a solid two week rest before the Mexico game. I’d play Ginter as a wing back instead.
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby America USA » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:17 pm

America USA wrote:


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I think Kimmich should be rested and Kroos should be saved until the actual tournament starts. I’m not sure if Boateng will be fit enough or risked in this game.
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby MUTU » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:01 pm

I expect to see a strong XI, most if not all of which would start against Mexico. Enough with the losses in friendlies. It would be pretty demoralizing if Germany lost this match.
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby America USA » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:10 pm

MUTU wrote:I expect to see a strong XI, most if not all of which would start against Mexico. Enough with the losses in friendlies. It would be pretty demoralizing if Germany lost this match.

No offense but Germany’s C team would probably win this game at least 3-0.

This is the last game to experiment something different and rest players. If Germany want to flex their muscles then they can do that against Mexico on June 17.
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby bmguy » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:44 am

Loew definitely already decided to choose Gomez as his first start striker. Petersen call up was just to get to know him more for Euro 2020, so no matter how great he could play, he would still be eliminated.

Bundesliga today is on the decline path, it couldnt produce a decent striker and I dont see any great coming talents in the next 2 years. Maybe only Gnabry.
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby MUTU » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:21 am

bmguy wrote:Loew definitely already decided to choose Gomez as his first start striker. Petersen call up was just to get to know him more for Euro 2020, so no matter how great he could play, he would still be eliminated.

Bundesliga today is on the decline path, it couldnt produce a decent striker and I dont see any great coming talents in the next 2 years. Maybe only Gnabry.

In the next 2 years (EURO 2020), Arp will be 20, Werner will be 24 and Gnabry will be almost 25. Also Eggestein will be 22.
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Re: [2018-06-08] Germany vs Saudi Arabia

Postby America USA » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:35 pm

bmguy wrote:Loew definitely already decided to choose Gomez as his first start striker. Petersen call up was just to get to know him more for Euro 2020, so no matter how great he could play, he would still be eliminated.

Bundesliga today is on the decline path, it couldnt produce a decent striker and I dont see any great coming talents in the next 2 years. Maybe only Gnabry.

No offense dude but I keep seeing you posting about how bad the BL is and how the league is in a decline and on track to become the next Eredivisie. If it’s so bad then why watch it? Also what steps do you suggest to stop this deterioration? Forecasting doom and gloom is cheap, why not discuss something constructive as in what can be done to stop the alleged decline and improve the league!
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