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Germany's NT games in September confirm a few things. Draxler and Ozil are class with good teammates. Muller can certainly play as a RW. Kimmich is really good.

Really excited by the development of this team. So much depth too.

I liked the highlights...

Lukas wrote:No
idea apart from being a Germanophile (probably not a word, certainly not in English, but who cares), has a nice tune and lyrics. Striving for togetherness, fairness and freedom etc.

Of all National anthems "Das Lied der Deutschen" is probably the most exquisite classical composition, since no other than Joseph Haydn wrote the music and it simply gives that feeling. As for the lyrics too bad that the first stanza is not sung since the anthem was re-introduced after WWII.

I always found that "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, Über alles in der Welt..." does not necessarily mean National-socialism since it was written at a time when the idea of a unified German nation was a dream and it was the German liberals of the late 19th century who popularized the song throughout the region to protest loyalty to the many duchies and palatines; but it is easy to understand the association to the Nazis similar to what happened with the swastika that had a more noble meaning since ancient times.

As a side note, when Germany won against all odds the World Cup in 1954 the crowd spontaneously erupted singing Das Lied der Deutschen but they did not sing the recently adopted 3rd stanza sung today: they sang the 1st stanza because they did not know the lyrics of the 3rd.

Also who can forget this video clip:

Well, I like the third one better... The first one makes no sense anyways...

How come this version was sung on italian tv?
https://youtu.be/YvONZKUhT1I

This is gold...
English team doing the salute
https://youtu.be/jlbLHviSTPc

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#12 wrote:Well, I like the third one better... The first one makes no sense anyways...

The third stanza is certainly more palatable for the general public but it does not have the historical meaning of the first.

The references in the first stanza to Maas, Memel, Etsch and Bel, all territories beyond the current German borders, may not make sense in the context of the well defined geography that we know today but it does not necessarily mean it is the case in the historical context when it was written. The dream of a German nation above all differences and expanding as far as people would accept it certainly inspired August Hoffmann to write the lyrics, or as some claim it shaped it since the words existed in various forms of popular songs. At the end, it was common at the time when European nations were forming to set undefined references to geographical features as the imaginary boundaries of the unified nations that many wanted.

Either the first stanza, the third or all 3 in general express the "togetherness, fairness and freedom" that Lukas refers to. Most national anthems are belligerent in nature. Obviously when it comes to making sense today I am sure that "God Save the Queen" is very debatable, a symbol of colonialism for some, heritage for others.

We are off topic but there was not much to talk about the Germany vs Norway game, not even the Norwegian National Anthem can be dsicussed since "Ja, vi elsker dette landet" (what they sing before the games) is one of the 3 national anthems that they have.

Jorge wrote:

#12 wrote:Well, I like the third one better... The first one makes no sense anyways...

The third stanza is certainly more palatable for the general public but it does not have the historical meaning of the first.

The references in the first stanza to Maas, Memel, Etsch and Bel, all territories beyond the current German borders, may not make sense in the context of the well defined geography that we know today but it does not necessarily mean it is the case in the historical context when it was written. The dream of a German nation above all differences and expanding as far as people would accept it certainly inspired August Hoffmann to write the lyrics, or as some claim it shaped it since the words existed in various forms of popular songs. At the end, it was common at the time when European nations were forming to set undefined references to geographical features as the imaginary boundaries of the unified nations that many wanted.

Either the first stanza, the third or all 3 in general express the "togetherness, fairness and freedom" that Lukas refers to. Most national anthems are belligerent in nature. Obviously when it comes to making sense today I am sure that "God Save the Queen" is very debatable, a symbol of colonialism for some, heritage for others.

We are off topic but there was not much to talk about the Germany vs Norway game, not even the Norwegian National Anthem can be dsicussed since "Ja, vi elsker dette landet" (what they sing before the games) is one of the 3 national anthems that they have.

We have a national anthems thread...


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ramsej84 wrote:We have a national anthems thread...

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