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Should Joachim Löw remain the German coach?

Yes, he is a great coach.
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Yes, because at the moment there's not many options.
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23%
No, he should resign as Germany needs a new direction.
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No, he should be fired as he's doing a terrible job.
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27%
 
Total votes : 26

Re: General German national team thread

Postby America USA » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:40 pm

IsiahRashad wrote:Joachim Löw will continue as Germany manager even with a defeat against France. Sacking him is not a topic because the DFB has no plan B and doesn't want to go into chaos. Internally, there is more of a surprise with the catastrophic form of the players [@Plettigoal]

The DFB are full of shit! Sack Löw and appoint Kuntz after the France game. Really really hoping for France to pulverize Germany 6-0 or something so that the DFB’s hand is forced to sack the dinosaur!
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby RedQueen » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:28 pm

As if Kuntz was any better. The analysis you've posted earlier isn't exactly his own accomplishment, it has been discussed with the DFB and commented on countless times in the German media. Löw himself has said the same things.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby America USA » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:46 pm

RedQueen wrote:As if Kuntz was any better. The analysis you've posted earlier isn't exactly his own accomplishment, it has been discussed with the DFB and commented on countless times in the German media. Löw himself has said the same things.

Then why doesn’t he do anything about it? He said he wanted specialists for all positions and what does he do? Remove a guy who plays at RB all the time for his club team and stick him in midfield! Play a CB out of position at RB! Bravo!

Why does this smart ass keep doing the same things (Muller at RW, ultra high line, possession for the sake of it, etc.) again and again and expect different results to miraculously occur?

I’m guessing you still want Löw to continue? (IIRC you backed him even post the WC so I guess it is not really a surprise to see you make excuses for him again)

Ok then, I guess Germans as a whole are suffering from Stockholm syndrome in all aspects whether it be sports or politics.

Sarcasm aside. Any coach, whether Kuntz or not, who can just rectify the simple stuff and stick to basics would do a better job with this team than this moron at the helm.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby RedQueen » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:59 pm

If he can't bring himself to remove the likes of Boateng and Müller, at least from the starting XI, he has to go.

Unfortunately I still don't see anyone much better, and I have no idea why you think that Kuntz of all people is a suitable candidate. Have you even had a look at his CV? He's 55, he's never coached higher than 2nd Bundesliga, his last gig in 2004 was with LR Aalen, and from 2005 to 2016 he didn't work as a coach at all! Everyone was shaking their heads when he was appointed as U21 head coach. That's your idea of a suitable candidate for the A team? Because of a newspaper interview where he merely repeated what dozens of others have said before?

If they're gonna bring in an inexperienced coach, then at least choose a young guy with fresh ideas who plays modern football, like for example Hannes Wolf.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby sherpthederp » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:00 pm

America USA wrote:I don’t think “dumping anyone over 27” will fix this train wreck. First and foremost the driver of the Locomotive-Löw-has to be fired.

Re: Guys over 27, as I’ve said earlier on this thread, only a few from the 28 and above age group should be considered for the NT from now on and like everyone else their selection too must be based on merit and not some “loyalty and trust” emotional bullshit!

Oops lol, I thought I posted this in the France matchthread. I meant for that game specifically not forever
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby America USA » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:12 pm

@ RedQueen - Kuntz would be Germany’s version of Southgate but slightly better. He’s done a decent job with the U21s recently. Promoting him would be an okay solution (for the time being) to the Harakiri that is Löw. Also age is just a number when it comes to NT managers. Klopp (someone many people want to see as the Bundestrainer) isn’t exactly a spring chicken either.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong but even during his playing days Kuntz was a late bloomer :P

sherpthederp wrote:Oops lol, I thought I posted this in the France matchthread. I meant for that game specifically not forever

Lol that’s fine. And that might be a good idea to just throw in the youngsters against France. What’s the worst that can happen? We lose? Germany will lose anyway with the senior players.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby #12 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:42 pm

Kuntz? Hey, I'm free!

Seriously, with all the experience we’re painfully making on club level right now?
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:53 pm

America USA wrote:@ RedQueen - Kuntz would be Germany’s version of Southgate but slightly better. He’s done a decent job with the U21s recently. Promoting him would be an okay solution (for the time being) to the Harakiri that is Löw. Also age is just a number when it comes to NT managers. Klopp (someone many people want to see as the Bundestrainer) isn’t exactly a spring chicken either.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong but even during his playing days Kuntz was a late bloomer

sherpthederp wrote:Oops lol, I thought I posted this in the France matchthread. I meant for that game specifically not forever

Lol that’s fine. And that might be a good idea to just throw in the youngsters against France. What’s the worst that can happen? We lose? Germany will lose anyway with the senior players.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:55 am

https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1 ... 51648?s=19

What are the coaches' & the team managers' role these days?
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:09 am

ramsej84 wrote:https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1051950178423451648?s=19

What are the coaches' & the team managers' role these days?

The problem is that when teams perform below expectations, everyone feels compelled to trying to fix the issue by weighing in their suggestions. It's normal human behaviour with good intentions.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby YlonenXabi » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:40 pm

I don't even know if he's been consiered an option, but the name of Kuntz came to my mind cause he has successfully coached the U21 team so he is familiar with most of the players that will be part of the generational change and he is familiar with DFB and German football.

Also, the way he won the Euro with Germany U21 reserves and especially the way he outplayed a much better Spanish team in the final should not be forgotten.

I've seen many underdogs winning finals, but I've rarely seen a heavy underdog totally outplaying the favourite in every aspect of the game like Germany did that day against the likes of Saul, Asensio, Ceballos or Bellerin
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:53 pm

Hitzilsberger is mentioning Max for the LB position...

He said three players for that pos
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:00 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Hitzilsberger is mentioning Max for the LB position...

He said three players for that pos

My God that spelling! :)

I think Schulz had a good game today to be honest. One of the very best.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:11 pm

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Hitzilsberger is mentioning Max for the LB position...

He said three players for that pos

My God that spelling! :)

I think Schulz had a good game today to be honest. One of the very best.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby America USA » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:45 pm

As today’s game showed, Deutschland have the players to do well in the coming years, including EURO 2020. People who are already writing off the next two competitions are misguided and it is wrong to say that the German players aren’t good enough.

What needs to happen is:
1. Löw has to leave unless he does a 180 and stops his favoritism and changes the style of play drastically. I’m 100% sure he won’t change and the other trashing is just around the corner with him in charge. Hopefully the game next month against the Dutch happens to be his last as the Bundestrainer.
2. A significant portion of the old guard needs to be discarded. Müller is useless now and Boateng is way past his best. Neuer, Kroos and Hummels are the only ones IMO who should be considered from the 2014 batch and then too their selection has to be based on merit only.
3. The emphasis has to be on fast transitions (as was the case today). In Sane, Werner, Brandt, Gnabry and Reus (depending on if he’s fit) Germany have enough explosiveness, pace and verticality up front.
4. Need to start playing guys in their strongest positions. Kimmich plays at RB for most of the year and he should likewise be played as RB with the NT as well. Same logic applies to the remaining players.
5. Must find a defensive midfielder. Hopefully Weigl, Can and Meyer can step up at the club level. Arne Maier of Berlin would also be a decent option.
6. Youngsters like Havertz, Selke, etc. should be rewarded for good club form and be given chances to integrate them in the NT.
7. If a seasoned player is having a good season at the club level (Stindl, Schurlle, Mustafi, Götze, etc.) then they too should be called upon.
8. The obsession with possession needs to be eradicated and focus has to be more on direct play by more forward oriented passes.
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