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Should Joachim Löw remain the German coach?

Yes, he is a great coach.
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Yes, because at the moment there's not many options.
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No, he should resign as Germany needs a new direction.
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No, he should be fired as he's doing a terrible job.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby RedQueen » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:29 am

Falk with a report from the training camp.

Turns out that the National Team is taking daily blood samples, too.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby #12 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:05 am

Dumbledore7 wrote:Forget ethnicity and nationality then. What they did was stupid and stupid people shouldn't allowed in the national team for any reason. At least half of the squad hate them now.


So we should send Neuer, Hummels and Kimmich alone then?
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:13 am

#12 wrote:
Dumbledore7 wrote:Forget ethnicity and nationality then. What they did was stupid and stupid people shouldn't allowed in the national team for any reason. At least half of the squad hate them now.


So we should send Neuer, Hummels and Kimmich alone then?
Im my previous comment I mentioned the good examples set by Khedira Mustafi etc

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Re: General German national team thread

Postby #12 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:24 am

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Dumbledore7 wrote:Forget ethnicity and nationality then. What they did was stupid and stupid people shouldn't allowed in the national team for any reason. At least half of the squad hate them now.


So we should send Neuer, Hummels and Kimmich alone then?
Im my previous comment I mentioned the good examples set by Khedira Mustafi etc

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Mustafi is dumb as a breadstick... Singing the anthem doesn’t change that...

Khedira is not the brightest light bulb either - listen to his comments: always promoting himself...
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby MUTU » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:13 pm

ramsej84 wrote:The players reaction for the boos Guno received in Leverkusen
https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1 ... 58688?s=19

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Re: General German national team thread

Postby MUTU » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:17 pm

#12 wrote:
Dumbledore7 wrote:What Özil and Gündoğan did was a disgrace and they should be revoked of their German citizenship, let alone play for the national team.


You cannot revoke citizenship... And they’re both Löw protégés...
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby MUTU » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:18 pm

RedQueen wrote:Falk with a report from the training camp.

Turns out that the National Team is taking daily blood samples, too.
So does HWMW. He needs to test that his goats are healthy.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby MUTU » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:18 pm

#12 wrote:
Dumbledore7 wrote:Forget ethnicity and nationality then. What they did was stupid and stupid people shouldn't allowed in the national team for any reason. At least half of the squad hate them now.


So we should send Neuer, Hummels and Kimmich alone then?
Probably that's enough to beat England :)
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby Dumbledore7 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:34 pm

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:The players reaction for the boos Guno received in Leverkusen
https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1 ... 58688?s=19

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Why does Mats assume it was a mistake? The only thing they might change if they could go back would be not to allow the photos to go public. Keyword on the word might.

Just a slip on his facade. He hates their guts too, like the Germany supporters.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby RedQueen » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:36 pm

MUTU wrote:
#12 wrote:
Dumbledore7 wrote:What Özil and Gündoğan did was a disgrace and they should be revoked of their German citizenship, let alone play for the national team.


You cannot revoke citizenship... And they’re both Löw protégés...
Yes you can. The government can delete birth records, revoke the passport and they can also ask them to leave the country and ban them from ever entering, if they want. Not saying they should, but don't underrate what the government can do.


No, you can't.

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And I really wish everyone would cut the sanctimonious crap and stop the witch hunt after Özil and Gündogan. Our own government is too cowardly to make a move for cancelling the EU accession negotiations with Turkey because they are afraid Erdogan will quit helping them to keep the refugee floods in check. Our precious federal president Steinmeier who is now so concerned over the matter was busy courting Erdogan while he was minister of foreign affairs until only one year back. Now they're making a public example of two footballers for taking a photograph, and here we actually have people demanding that the German state revoke their citizenship?
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby Dumbledore7 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:37 pm

#12 wrote:
Dumbledore7 wrote:Forget ethnicity and nationality then. What they did was stupid and stupid people shouldn't allowed in the national team for any reason. At least half of the squad hate them now.


So we should send Neuer, Hummels and Kimmich alone then?

Why?
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:00 pm

Red Queen, you have a point... but footballers are public figures and should accept their criticism.



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Re: General German national team thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:04 pm

MUTU wrote:
#12 wrote:
Dumbledore7 wrote:What Özil and Gündoğan did was a disgrace and they should be revoked of their German citizenship, let alone play for the national team.


You cannot revoke citizenship... And they’re both Löw protégés...
Yes you can. The government can delete birth records, revoke the passport and they can also ask them to leave the country and ban them from ever entering, if they want. Not saying they should, but don't underrate what the government can do.


That depends. There are plenty of countries which do not recognise dual-citizenship and you have to revoke your current citizenship to take the citizenship of the new country. However, you cannot simply take away the citizenship of a person.* The right to be a citizen is a basic fundamental right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

*Technically they probably can, but since in our current world we have agreed to abide by this Declaration, they can't make someone stateless. Of course this can change, but it's not going to be in Gundogan's lifetime.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby MUTU » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:17 pm

RedQueen wrote:
MUTU wrote:
#12 wrote:[quote="Dumbledore7"]What Özil and Gündoğan did was a disgrace and they should be revoked of their German citizenship, let alone play for the national team.


You cannot revoke citizenship... And they’re both Löw protégés...
Yes you can. The government can delete birth records, revoke the passport and they can also ask them to leave the country and ban them from ever entering, if they want. Not saying they should, but don't underrate what the government can do.


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Agree to disagree. A government could take control of the army and do whatever it wants. What you are saying is playing by the rules, but a government doesn't necessarily need to do that.

Thankfully, Germany is civilised and corruption is low but you can't say the same for the rest of the world.
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Re: General German national team thread

Postby #12 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:17 pm

MUTU wrote:
#12 wrote:
Dumbledore7 wrote:What Özil and Gündoğan did was a disgrace and they should be revoked of their German citizenship, let alone play for the national team.


You cannot revoke citizenship... And they’re both Löw protégés...
Yes you can. The government can delete birth records, revoke the passport and they can also ask them to leave the country and ban them from ever entering, if they want. Not saying they should, but don't underrate what the government can do.


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