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Re: General German football thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:46 pm

Fénix wrote:But that's just one season wonder, flashes, mate. They can't repeat it every season, though.

Exaggerating or not, it's all how each of us set our own expectations from Bundesliga clubs. It can be exaggerating, but it also doesn't have to be. :wink:

Klopp's Dortmund was only 2 seasons great(2012/2013 and 2013/2014), 2 seasons before that(CL 2011/2012 and EL 2010/2011) were disaster, exit in the Hinrunde and 2014/2015 at least he reached the Round of 16 and lost against the finalist Juventus.

Wolfsburg was completely sold out after that 2014/2015 season. They looked fantastic, my hope for a competitive Bundesliga all these years, but after De Bruyne left, one more season when Draxler came was good against Real Madrid in the 1/4 finals and that's it. VW shut down the project.

Schalke are joke overall, 1-2 shiny moments in the history of the club(CL semifinal 2010/2011 vs the last shiny Man United), overall nothing special and Bundesliga campaigns for the last 20 years speak in favor of that.

Loserkusen under Robin Dutt and Roger Schmidt were a trash can to punch real hard. Their glory days ended in 2001/2002 season.

Gladbach for the first time this season managed to reach the CL knockout stage in their club's history. They can't more than this.

Everything else in the Europa League with an exception of Eintracht Frankfurt 2 years ago has been a total disgrace for the last 12 years from German clubs when Werder Bremen lost the final against Shakhtar Donjeck and HSV played the 1/2 final exactly against them.

German football can't put an extra attention if nobody else can win European cups. Europa League precisely is there for them, but they don't do shit. And Sevilla won 6 titles in 15-16 years.

Sevilla success >>> S04, Loserkusen, HSV, Gladbach, Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, Stuttgart, Werder, Eintracht, Leipzig, BVB... This may be very rude and exaggerating, not trying to be malicious towards something I watched every Saturday and Sunday on German TV stations in the entire 2000's(ARD Sportschau, ZDF Sportstudio, DSF Doppelpass and Bundesliga Pur) but it's my opinion after 20 years of watching German football.

You have to win something in Europe and you can't near Bayern win almost anything in Germany except DFB-Pokal in few occasions. :roll:
But it wasn't just flashes. German football as a whole was very irregular, but the top 4-6 were at least decent. Leverkusen under Schmidt was decent! Nowadays even Leipzig got themselves COMPLETELY humiliated by United (even if the latter threw the qualification afterwards xD).

For me, it's very clear that German football today is A LOT worse than back then, Bayern aside.

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Re: General German football thread

Postby Fénix » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:00 am

PunkCapitalist wrote:But it wasn't just flashes. German football as a whole was very irregular, but the top 4-6 were at least decent. Leverkusen under Schmidt was decent! Nowadays even Leipzig got themselves COMPLETELY humiliated by United (even if the latter threw the qualification afterwards xD).

For me, it's very clear that German football today is A LOT worse than back then, Bayern aside.

Well, that's fine observation and it's a fact. The football is way worse because 2010-2015 period was really exciting and clubs really could assemble teams to fight for serious results in Europe. BVB were German champions, played fantastic football, had great players and rising football stars, lots of Klopp boys(Großkreutz, Schmeltzer, Piszczek...)

I can agree with that. They were decent, had their phase with Heynckes' great comeback and explosion in 2009/2010 to the regular CL participant, with Roger Schmidt and the famous pressing machine and Tempo-Fußball.

Hecking-Allofs duo in a year and a half transformed Magath's junk into a really very attractive team with a potential for something big in 2014 and 2015(DFB-Pokal 2015 and DFL-Supercup 2015), but it didn't last long, less than 3 years.

Just try to imagine 1-2 German clubs winning 2 EL titles in period 2022-2026. I bet it would hit our perception real good and open some new perspectives and expand horizons in both domestic and European competitions.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:51 pm

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Re: General German football thread

Postby #12 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:52 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Is gay pride all year long in Germany?
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Re: General German football thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:58 pm

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ramsej84 wrote:Is gay pride all year long in Germany?
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Yeah we decided to do this to give you a reason to keep bullshitting about Germans "becoming soft" and whatnot!
I think I am remembering something ... kind of a year long association to raise awareness.

IMo it will creat more animosity but whatever.

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Re: General German football thread

Postby #12 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:59 pm

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ramsej84 wrote:Is gay pride all year long in Germany?
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IMo it will creat more animosity but whatever.

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Re: General German football thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:25 pm

Wolfsburg completely destroyed Schalke.

PD: hadn't realized that Schalke was THAT bad. 10 points from 25 games? Sh!t......

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Re: General German football thread

Postby #12 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:26 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:Wolfsburg completely destroyed Schalke.

PD: hadn't realized that Schalke was THAT bad. 10 points from 25 games? Sh!t......

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Re: General German football thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:13 pm

Schalke 00

And this time next year they will be fighting to avoid yet another drop
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Re: General German football thread

Postby MUTU » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:32 pm

#12 wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:Wolfsburg completely destroyed Schalke.

PD: hadn't realized that Schalke was THAT bad. 10 points from 25 games? Sh!t......

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Re: General German football thread

Postby RedQueen » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:39 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Schalke 00

And this time next year they will be fighting to avoid yet another drop

More and more reports that Rangnick might take over as DOF.

Typical Schalke chaos. There's a lot of infighting in the supervisory board, but apparently he has presented them a 5 year plan and also sponsors/investors - and there doesn't seem to be another candidate (Leipzig's Markus Krösche has turned them down, apparently). There's a fan petition to bring Rangnick back which has like 30k signatures already and protests demanding for the supervisory board members blocking the move to step down.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Ottomeister87 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:39 pm

Today Christoph Metzelder's court case about child porn started. He admitted to get and distribute stuff and also outed a lot of extreme fantasies in texts etc. If i was a former team member of him, i would visit him and beat him the fuck up. Shit like this disgusts me to the bone..
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Re: General German football thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:16 pm

Ottomeister87 wrote:If i was a former team member of him, i would visit him and beat him the fuck up. Shit like this disgusts me to the bone.

Would you do that if he was your son?
Or would you want your former teammates to do that to you if it was you?

At least, from what I understood, he didn't abuse any children, apart from distributing their porn.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby #12 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:11 pm

He‘s a minor case... Not trying to defend him but he got professional help right away and was not diagnosed as pedophile... And while he might be responsible for some kind of demand, the real problem is actual perpetrators...
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Ottomeister87 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:00 pm

MUTU wrote:
Ottomeister87 wrote:If i was a former team member of him, i would visit him and beat him the fuck up. Shit like this disgusts me to the bone.

Would you do that if he was your son?
Or would you want your former teammates to do that to you if it was you?

At least, from what I understood, he didn't abuse any children, apart from distributing their porn.


If it was my son? I would beat him into a hospital bed myself, i would already call ahead so they can arrest me for assault also.. Same goes for raping a woman ( or man if he would be into that ) Does that answer your question?

He has ruined his whole life because of this, since he is a pretty known former player but I dont care how ''minor'' this is, this is just fucked up to even distribute that shit. Those children actually being molested by those sick fucks is already disgusting, but to even distribute it to others and utter extreme fantasies in chats about it.. [-X I dont even care how they diagnosed him or not, in my eyes he is one, why the hell would you even try to get shit like that or talk about certain fantasies you have in chats or texts with others about it :S

''ooooh no man, i am not into that stuff, but check my collection out about it: btw i would like to do this and that to a 10 year old sexually'' :^o

The actual perpetrators? They should be shot on sight. There is no need to waste tax payers money on garbage like that for letting them rot in a cell.
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