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Re: General German football thread

Postby IsiahRashad » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:41 pm

Fénix wrote: You reach your limits, you want more and go further but you can't because you stick to your dogmas that brought you here.
It points out as they are not interested in further growth and expansion, in the first line expanding the domestic quality and competitiveness and concentration of top players and later European expansion where Europa League is nowhere near their primary target to win.
I can interpret all red-marked statements and views from few corners, but none of them leads to further growth and competitiveness of their clubs in both Bundesliga and Europe and seeing the arrival of top international football stars or at least stay of the youngsters who are about to become top players in years to come in the Bundesliga.
They don't mind and I as a foreigner/Croat can accept that and live with that without a big deal regardless of my best wishes, dreams, passion, bla bla towards Bayern and the German league.
But then I think Bayern's season expectations should be decreased and adjusted according to the current reality thereby avoiding the unrest and frustrations within the club and fan population.


I agree with everything you said, and the quote that you posted is opening so many questions in my head, that I will need probably 10 hours to write my post..

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Re: General German football thread

Postby Fénix » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:55 pm

DFL slogan: "Football as it's meant to be" and the football reality in England, Spain, Italy, in Uefa and Fifa with format changes and reforms: "Football as it is today - total business".

Current players and coaches as well as football legends and former players have often praised German football, infrastructure and fans, expressed so many sympathies towards everything, but money, glory, competition, focus and interest are pointed to and live in England and Spain, Juventus, PSG and maybe few more Italian and French clubs along with Benfica and Porto, even China.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Fénix » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:23 pm

Türkgücü im Grünwalder: Muss der FC Bayern jetzt weichen?

Türkgücü hat die 3. Liga im Visier. Das könnte auch für den FC Bayern München Folgen haben. Es geht um den Spielort Grünwalder Stadion.

  • Türkgücü München hat am vergangenen Sonntag zum ersten Mal im Grünwalder Stadion als Heimmannschaft gespielt.
  • Die Mannschat von Trainer Reiner Maurer steht vor dem Aufstieg in die 3. Liga. Drei Teams aus einer Liga können nicht im gleichen Stadion spielen.
  • Die zweite Mannschaft des FC Bayern muss deshalb vielleicht seine Heimspiele an anderer Stelle austragen.

München – Angesichts der immens hohen Ansprüche will es sich Reiner Maurer nicht leisten, seiner Mannschaft eine Schonfrist zu gewähren. Nicht einmal eine Halbzeit im ersten Testspiel des Jahres nach sechswöchiger Winterpause zu Beginn einer siebenwöchigen Vorbereitung – gegen einen Kontrahenten, der eine Liga höher angesiedelt ist und an diesem Wochenende bereits in den Punktspielbetrieb zurückkehrt. So monierte der Türkgücü-Coach nach der 1:3-Niederlage am Sonntag gegen den FC Bayern II, dass seine Elf im ersten Durchgang „schwächer als erwartet“ agiert hätte.

Türkgücü München: Trainer Maurer will in die 3. Liga - und ins Grünwalder Stadion?

Mit acht Punkten Vorsprung auf die Verfolger überwintert der Aufsteiger an der Tabellenspitze der Regionalliga Bayern und steht damit unmittelbar vor dem Durchmarsch in die 3. Liga. Nachdem zu Saisonbeginn noch ein Platz im oberen Tabellendrittel ausgegeben wurde, bekennt sich mittlerweile auch Maurer „klar zum Ziel Aufstieg“.

Voting: Türkgücü München als attraktive Alternative zu 1860 und FC Bayern?

Sportchef Robert Hettich hat seinem Trainer ein Team zusammengestellt, das schon jetzt Drittliga-Niveau erreicht. Und Maurer gelingt es, das Maximum aus seinem hoch qualifizierten Kader zu generieren. Das Umfeld jedoch kann gar nicht in dem Tempo wachsen, in dem das Team in Richtung Profifußball drängt. Mit Beginn dieses Jahres trägt Türkgücü, seine Heimspiele im Grünwalder Stadion aus – Heimstetten ist Vergangenheit. Die Partie gegen die kleinen Bayern diente auch als Testlauf in der neuen Umgebung. Wobei der Verein selbst und auch der Trainer in der 1980er-Jahren bereits dort aktiv waren. Beim Stichwort Grünwalder Stadion kommen beim Ex-Löwen Maurer Erinnerungen auf, die Geschichten aus der Bayernliga-Zeit des TSV 1860 sprudeln aus ihm heraus.

Muss FC Bayern 2 dann weichen? Heimspiele am Campus statt im Grünwalder Stadion

Am Sonntag nun waren knapp 1500 Zuschauer gekommen, in den Punktspielen rechnet der 59-Jährige ebenfalls regelmäßig mit einer „vierstelligen Zuschauerzahl“. Die Hoffnung basiert darauf, dass sich Türkgücü als Alternative zum FC Bayern und 1860 etabliert, nicht nur die „türkische Gemeinschaft“ möchte Präsident Hasan Kivran dazu ins Boot holen.

Interessant wird dieses Thema ohnehin erst nach dem Aufstieg: drei Drittligisten in einem Stadion. Die Statuten würden das zwar grundsätzlich erlauben, aber Logistik, Organisation und Spielgestaltung wären dann enorm schwierig. So wird eines der drei Teams umziehen müssen. Nachdem sich die Löwen dort als Hausherr betrachten und Türkgücü die neue Heimat gewiss nicht freiwillig räumen wird, läuft derzeit alles darauf hinaus, dass die kleinen Bayern ab nächster Saison am heimischen Campus im Münchner Norden ihre Drittligapartien austragen werden.

FC Bayern als Verlierer? Noch zwölf Spiele für Türkgücü bis zur 3. Liga

Dafür allerdings muss die Maurer-Elf in den verbleibenden zwölf Saisonspielen ihre exzellente Vorarbeit auch mit dem Aufstieg veredeln. In der langen Vorbereitung wird dabei nichts dem Zufall überlassen. Elf Testspiele sind bereits terminiert, es könnten auch noch mehr werden. Zudem stehen gleich zwei einwöchige Trainingslager – eines in Spanien, das andere in der Türkei – auf dem Programm. Am 7. März beginnt mit dem Gastspiel beim FC Augsburg II die letzte Etappe auf dem Weg in die 3. Liga.


So the 3rd club is rising in city of München and it's a Turkish club founded in 1975 Türkgücü München(translated The Turkish Power Munich or Die Türkische Macht München) :mrgreen:

They are playing on the Stadion an der Grünwalder Straße, where we used to play in 70's, 60's etc. where 1859+1 are playing after we kicked them out the Arena (or themselves when they got relegated themselves from the 2nd to the 4th division) and FC Bayern II.

They are currently holding 1st place in the Regionalliga Bayern and if they win promotion to the 3. Liga, 3 teams could play the same division on one stadium and that's pretty complicating to see happening or at least organizing.

History of Türkgücü München

One of the examples how deep Turks have let their roots on German soil.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:09 pm

Don't call them Turks!- how dare you?
They are Bavarians
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Fénix » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:21 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Don't call them Turks!- how dare you?
They are Bavarians

Bavarian Turks, not Germans. Even some Germans on TZ-online from where the article comes also complain about this club, but it's stupid if you look at the laws and rules about public associations. :D

Maybe one day we see them in the Bundesliga if rich German Turks and Turks from the homeland decide to invest in them as their foreign, Central Europe base. :mrgreen:
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Firefox1234 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:38 am

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Re: General German football thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:41 am

Firefox1234 wrote: Can't see tweet? Click here!
Emre Can to China or the UAE only those can afford him.

How the hell are Juve paying him all that money... and they also have Khedira...
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Firefox1234 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:48 pm

ramsej84 wrote:
Firefox1234 wrote: Can't see tweet? Click here!
Emre Can to China or the UAE only those can afford him.

How the hell are Juve paying him all that money... and they also have Khedira...
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Firefox1234 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:46 pm

Nagelsmann reveals Real Madrid called him in 2018 and he turned them down [source]


I was surprised at first. I weighed it up and I didn’t feel comfortable with a decision to go there.

I want to improve. If you go to Real Madrid, there’s no time to improve as a manager. You don’t have a chance to be a better manager, you already have to be the best.

I’m not the best now, but I can admit I want to be one of the best in future. If you go to Real Madrid or Barcelona, the fans, the media and the decision-makers don’t give you the time to grow into that. They only want to see victories every game, titles, Champions League trophies. If you don’t win, you can’t say ‘but I’m still young, I’m still developing’.

It’s not that easy in football to plan a career, because it is so unpredictable, but you have to try. The main thing is to make the right steps, not the biggest steps.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby #12 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:25 pm

RM call Nahelsmann, Bayern call Kovac...
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Fénix » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:45 pm

Firefox1234 wrote:If you go to Real Madrid, there’s no time to improve as a manager. You don’t have a chance to be a better manager, you already have to be the best.

Many can't wait and resist because they think they'll be called only once by the big clubs.

That's what I really like about Julian Nagelsmann who could have done exactly the same thing as Niko Kovač and, who knows, maybe would have faced the same destiny as the Croat right now.
But Julian is wise and he knew that at the age of just 29-30 everything can wait - big teams, big money, big players, hype, glory... And the fact that it can't be said for the German's coaching career in case it goes in a completely wrong direction and then push it hard to get back again on the right track. No. :thumbup:

Niko Kovač did that mistake twice and ended up horrible. First time in 2013 when he had left Croatia U-21 and took charge of Croatia senior team (way too early), second time when he left his greatest career success Eintracht and changed it for pretty lost FC Bayern that is still lost even after him just as it was before him. In both cases he repeated that stupid mantra: "Croatia/Bayern's call and offer are something hard to reject, turn down, something you simply must accept".

Nagelsmann rejected not FC Bayern München, but Real Madrid C.F. Nagelsmann had a great spell at Hoffenheim and now he is coaching Leipzig, Niko had a great time at Eintracht, later had the worst time of his life at Bayern and for the last 3-4 months he's been unemployed.

What's the best, Nagelsmann has signed a player (Dani Olmo) who has done exactly the same thing so far in his playing career and is thinking in the exactly same way about his growth and development as his coach.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby r10 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:09 am

How are Hertha prospects under Nouri?
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Firefox1234 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:24 am

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Re: General German football thread

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