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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby #12 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:31 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:Just read the comments in this thread from last season

Dortmund had an early exit in CL, a poor EL campaign and almost miss out on CL spots. Added to that they barely won any title lately

If they have capable people on charge and we are soooo bad then why do we usually win the titles and finish every year +15 points above them?


Because we have five times the money...

Also, they never claim to want to win CL... We do...
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Borusse » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:57 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:Just read the comments in this thread from last season

Dortmund had an early exit in CL, a poor EL campaign and almost miss out on CL spots. Added to that they barely won any title lately

If they have capable people on charge and we are soooo bad then why do we usually win the titles and finish every year +15 points above them?


You are a bigger club. You have higher ambitions. If you don't win the Bundesliga, it's a poor season for you, if we don't win the Bundesliga, it's normal.

However #12 is very harsh on Bayern's board. Last 10 years have been absolutely outstanding for you. 7 out of 10 BL titles, a few Pokals and a Champions League title + two finals + lot of semifinals. You've been at the very top non-stop. Now you've had what, poor 12 months? Not even 12 to be honest. You still got to the semifinal and you won the BL easily. What your board did wrong was not getting prepared for the next phase/next era. But they are the same people who made Bayern so strong before. So it's very harsh to say Bayern's management is awful, they've made some mistakes now but it doesn't erase all the good things they did for Bayern.

As for Dortmund, we made some mistakes in the last 10 years too but we fortunately did most things right to keep the club growing. I actually wrote an article for polish fans recently about how BVB grew in the last decade. In 2010 we had 103 million euros revenue, now we have 493 million euros (almost 5 times bigger!) and we had a wages budget of 43 million euros and now it's 169 (4 times bigger). We are much less fragile than we were before, we weren't ready for such a big success under Klopp, it had to end the way it did. I feel like now we're more prepared for potential success, we are more capable to keep good players around and attract strong players as well. We have a very good coach too. I'm really happy to see where we have come as a club and what a brilliant job Watzke and Zorc have done.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby #12 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:06 pm

Borusse wrote:
YlonenXabi wrote:Just read the comments in this thread from last season

Dortmund had an early exit in CL, a poor EL campaign and almost miss out on CL spots. Added to that they barely won any title lately

If they have capable people on charge and we are soooo bad then why do we usually win the titles and finish every year +15 points above them?


You are a bigger club. You have higher ambitions. If you don't win the Bundesliga, it's a poor season for you, if we don't win the Bundesliga, it's normal.

However #12 is very harsh on Bayern's board. Last 10 years have been absolutely outstanding for you. 7 out of 10 BL titles, a few Pokals and a Champions League title + two finals + lot of semifinals. You've been at the very top non-stop. Now you've had what, poor 12 months? Not even 12 to be honest. You still got to the semifinal and you won the BL easily. What your board did wrong was not getting prepared for the next phase/next era. But they are the same people who made Bayern so strong before. So it's very harsh to say Bayern's management is awful, they've made some mistakes now but it doesn't erase all the good things they did for Bayern.

As for Dortmund, we made some mistakes in the last 10 years too but we fortunately did most things right to keep the club growing. I actually wrote an article for polish fans recently about how BVB grew in the last decade. In 2010 we had 103 million euros revenue, now we have 493 million euros (almost 5 times bigger!) and we had a wages budget of 43 million euros and now it's 169 (4 times bigger). We are much less fragile than we were before, we weren't ready for such a big success under Klopp, it had to end the way it did. I feel like now we're more prepared for potential success, we are more capable to keep good players around and attract strong players as well. We have a very good coach too. I'm really happy to see where we have come as a club and what a brilliant job Watzke and Zorc have done.


They lucked out... What about the ten years before? What about the ten years before 99? Or 20?

Just because everything falls into place for once doesn’t mean your shit work is good all of a sudden...
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Borusse » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:50 am

You can't luck out into 8-9 years of success.

And what about ten years before? Every team goes through ups and downs, Real Madrid was nowhere to be seen between 2002-2011 and even now when they won 3 CL trophies in a row, they barely got one La Liga title and their CL trophies involved a lot of luck, they weren't dominating their rivals or anything like Bayern did in 2013 or Barcelona in 2011. Where's Manchester United right now? Since Ferguson left they've been trying to return to the top, so far not working out for them that well.

If you want to focus on the negatives, you will find them in every team. You simply can't always be at the top and it's normal to have some difficult periods.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby #12 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:32 pm

Borusse wrote:You can't luck out into 8-9 years of success.

And what about ten years before? Every team goes through ups and downs, Real Madrid was nowhere to be seen between 2002-2011 and even now when they won 3 CL trophies in a row, they barely got one La Liga title and their CL trophies involved a lot of luck, they weren't dominating their rivals or anything like Bayern did in 2013 or Barcelona in 2011. Where's Manchester United right now? Since Ferguson left they've been trying to return to the top, so far not working out for them that well.

If you want to focus on the negatives, you will find them in every team. You simply can't always be at the top and it's normal to have some difficult periods.


Why can’t you? In those 8-9 years Bundesliga has been in its shittiest state yet - every year anew!
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby MUTU » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:51 pm

Borusse, just give up trying to have a rational argument with #12 regarding Bayern's success. The rest of the forum has done so already ;) #12, even BVB fans are telling you so. When will you finally realise you're an extremist?
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Borusse » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:57 pm

Because football is not a lottery where any dumbass has the same chance to win. Football is a game of skill, determination and hard work. You can be lucky in a few games in a row, sure, but football always verifies you over a longer period of time. A decade of being BL champions and playing in finals and semi-finals of CL is more than enough to say this wasn't luck.

Okay, I'm done. :P
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby #12 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:52 pm

Well it was not team luck, of course...

It was lucky everything fell into place at the right time, and the combination.... I mean we had ONE coach we kept for more than two years in this period - so they're obviously shit at coach selection!
Meanwhile van Gaal brought youths that, together with Robbery carried this team - for years...

Now look at the current roster, basically no changes in the last 6 years... So yeah once you have assembled a good squad it will keep you close to the top even if you do shit work... They haven’t realized times have changed... And yes, they were lucky...

And MUTU of all people, the guy ignoring each and every fact and twisting it in Bayern‘s favor, over and over and over and over again (I know cause he conducts the same discussion once a week with me ) talks about rational discussions... Just my kind of humor...
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Borusse » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:49 pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -dortmund/

£70m?! So something like 75 million euros. That would be unbelievable considering how he's been struggling in the recent months and not even being one of the key players this season. Would be happy to sell him even for 60 million euros if he doesn't improve. Then get Thorgan Hazard for 40 million euros and we have some additional money for other players if necessary.

Our squad:

BR: Burki, Hitz
RB: Piszczek, Hakimi
CB: Akanji, Zagadou, Diallo, Toprak
LB: Schmelzer, Guerreiro
DM: Witsel, Delaney, Dahoud, Weigl, Rode
RW: Sancho, Pulisic
LW: Larsen, Wolf
CAM: Reus, Gotze, Kagawa
ST: Paco, Philipp, Isak

We're most likely saying goodbye to Pulisic, Weigl, Rode, Kagawa and Isak in the summer. We don't really need to find replacements for Rode, Kagawa and Isak as we have the positions well covered.

We will hopefully get someone like T. Hazard for Pulisic and some talented midfielder as a replacement for Weigl. Looks very nice.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:55 pm

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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:57 pm

DORTMUND, KAGAWA: "VOGLIO GIOCARE IN SPAGNA"
Shinji Kagawa è vicino all'addio con il Borussia Dortmund e pensa al futuro. "Voglio risolvere questa situazione il prima possibile. Negli ultimi anni mi sono chiesto come sarebbe giocare in Spagna, non posso ritirarmi senza provare questa esperienza", ha detto a Nikkan Sports

Kagawa is very close to leave BVB, he said that he would like to play in Spain before he retires, '' it is an experience that I should try before I retire''
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Borusse » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:01 pm

Shinji... Forever in my heart :P He should go, try to use his last few good years and play some high level football.

We haven't been playing well lately. Our last games have been Wolfsburg, Atletico, Bayern, Mainz and Brugge. In all those games we played only 45 strong minutes against Bayern, 45 solid minutes against Mainz and the rest was poor. Somehow we won all the league games and only lost points where it didn't matter that much. We need this half of the season to be over so Favre can work on improving the tactics and working out the details. Winter break will be very important for us, there is no time to train properly while playing every 3 days.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Borusse » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:30 am

Okay, the Freiburg game was better from BVB, we played faster with the ball and our wingers weren't afraid to try 1on1 dribbles.

Witsel is something else, I'm lost for words trying to describe how awesome he is and how important he has become in such a short time. Another brilliant game from the Belgian.

Piszczek has found his form and has been playing very well lately. Some people, including me, doubted he will be able to put in strong performances consistently with his age and the injuries he's been through but there he is, playing very, very solid football. Retiring from NT was a great decision for him, he now has time to rest during the international breaks and the difference is noticable.

In a week we're playing the Revierderby, great test of skill and character for this team. A win in this game would be huge.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby #12 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:48 am

Of course you'll win... Who else???
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Borusse » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:12 am

It's a derby, Schalke likes to play defence, we don't do so well against defensive-minded teams. One good counter-attack from them and we're in trouble. But hopefully you're right, we are the favourites of course.
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