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ottackon wrote:Can you imagine for one second that you're not omniscient and that you do not know everything about football ?
You will find the corresponding quotes from the players I mentioned if you do a little research on Google.

Usually it's the one who makes such a claim who's expected to take the trouble and find sources. Anyway, I take it then you have no idea why it would be more difficult?

I've heard some players claim the CL is more difficult to win - which makes some sort of sense. Maybe you're mixing things up?

If you just calm down a bit and read what I precisely wrote without fallacious interpretation, you will notice that I have at no point, described Löw as a bad coach. Words have meaning for a reason.

Didn't say it was your post I responded to.

Albanian7 wrote:Low is a good coach?

That's a very, very controversial thing to say.

You want to have the final say ? fine, I'll show some gallantry and watch the Barça game instead of wasting my time on trifles.

Well, thank you. No answer is an answer too

I don't wish to get in between RQ and Otta... Firstly I think Loew is a v.good coach.
As for the euros vs wc debate I am with Otta. The Euros are more diff...just have a look at the group stages.

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The average quality of the Euro is higher than the average quality of the World Cup. But the team to beat may not be European. So take it as it goes.

-Wesley Sneijder : 'It will be very difficult, because for me, the Euros is more difficult than the World Cup because you don't have the teams from Africa or wherever when you know you are going to take three points."

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- Zinedine Zidane : " "For me, the European Championship is harder to win than the World Cup," Zidane said. "There are only big teams. At the World Cup, you have time to get going but here you cannot afford to make a single mistake."

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- Xavi Hernandez : “The European Championships is harder than the World Cup, more intense,” the midfielder told el Pais. “There are no Cinderellas, in the World Cup, with all respect, you can face Honduras or Saudi Arabia. In the Euros, anyone can beat you."

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- Stuart Pearce : "The one thing a World Cup would probably throw up is a match against a lesser nation that would allow you to gather momentum by getting out of the group," he added. "In the Euros you have to hit the ground running. And make no mistake, with France in the first game we have got to be running very quickly."

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- Ruud Gullit : “To win the Euros is more difficult than the World Cup. In a World Cup, you can always play against a weak team that still qualifies because they come from an area of the world that does not have a strong qualifying competition. In the Euros there are no weak teams.”

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- Gennaro Gattuso : " "There aren't any weak sides in the Euro's," said Ringhio. "It's a brief but very intense tournament where the games are all close and there is no time to recover. "It's for this reason that the Euro's are harder than the World Cup."

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- Andres Iniesta : “These Euros will be much harder than the World Cup we won. This team is ready. I like to live the present, what lies ahead. “We have a very beautiful challenge ahead which will be a lot tougher than the previous one.”

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I rate the euros just one step down from the UCL as in the level of football.
Although as from the next one there will more teams.!

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"Teams from Africa or wherever"? So Iceland and Wales and Romania are bigger teams than Ghana, Algeria and Nigeria. because they're from Europe? Please tell me that's not serious.

The simple fact is that international football is incomparable to club football. We made the mistake of ignoring this with Klinsmann, we can't make it with Löw, even if he is a sight improvement over Klinsi, which frankly isn't saying much.

My favorite Löw "boner" so to speak was playign Trochowski at a GODDAMN WC SEMI FINAL.

RedQueen wrote:Maybe that's news to you, but in 2010 almost nobody in Germany counted on the NT to even reach the quarterfinals with such a young and inexperienced team.

You're selling the German team short in an insulting way not far from British tabloids. While not from Germany, I expected them to reach the final before the tournament, for example. That annoying little tidbit aside, calling a team of Poldi (over seventy caps), Schweini (shining veteran of three tournaments), Klose (already a legendary world cup goalscorer), Lahm (six-year mainstay and key player despite one injury issue at the start), Mertesacker (first-team pick since 2006), and Arne goddamn Friedrich (around 70 caps by then) inexperienced is a gross distortion of facts if not an outright lie. Get it together, you can't try to fit reality into your narrative like this.

RedQueen wrote:"Teams from Africa or wherever"? So Iceland and Wales and Romania are bigger teams than Ghana, Algeria and Nigeria. because they're from Europe? Please tell me that's not serious.

When Zinedine Zidane played, people watched. When he talks, they tend to listen.

Who the heck is Zidane ? Thank God we have the Red Queen among us.

In all fairness, the Africa delegation to the World Cup tens to be 80% shit and 20% amazing. One team makes it far and plays great football doing it, while the rest are used as whipping boys and don't even get paid by their FAs. People just tend to forget it thanks to one team's advance in the competition. The main issue is, of course, the lack of professionals in the infrastructure of most African FAs - the players are great as they prove in club football. The post-colonialist world is a bitch.

ottackon wrote:When Zinedine Zidane played, people watched. When he talks, they tend to listen.
Who the heck is Zidane ? Thank God we have the Red Queen among us.

Sorry that I don't share your servile belief in so-called authorities. So-called authorities are spouting nonsense all the time, sometimes nonsense they don't even believe themselves, for all kinds of reasons. I believe in arguments, not authorities. That's the way people usually have been educated since the age of enlightenment.

This discussion is becoming really annoying now. To claim that there are no weak teams in the Euros because there aren't "teams from Africa or wherever" sounds borderline racist to me. And I'm usually not the one to wave the racism card quickly. There are weak teams in both competitions, and if you happen to be drawn in a group with Iran or Saudi Arabia you're lucky. As you will be lucky if you're drawn in a group with Iceland or Northern Ireland. But in the World Cup some of the very best teams are taking part that are missing in the Euros. The fact they're not from Europe doesn't change that they are some of the very best teams.

So once you're out of the group stage, you may be eliminated in the WC by teams that don't even take part in the Euros. Vice versa is much more unlikely. Because all of Europe's best teams are present in the WC. And you're not gonna win either the Euros or the World Cup with a team that has a chance of being beaten by nations that take part in the Euros but not in the World Cup.

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ottackon wrote:When Zinedine Zidane played, people watched. When he talks, they tend to listen.
Who the heck is Zidane ? Thank God we have the Red Queen among us.

Sorry that I don't share your servile belief in so-called authorities. So-called authorities are spouting nonsense all the time, sometimes nonsense they don't even believe themselves, for all kinds of reasons. I believe in arguments, not authorities. That's the way people usually have been educated since the age of enlightenment.

This is discussion is becoming really annoying now. To claim that there are no weak teams in the Euros because there aren't "teams from Africa or wherever" sounds borderline racist to me. And I'm usually not the one to wave the racism card quickly. There are weak teams in both competitions, and if you happen to be drawn in a group with Iran or Saudi Arabia you're lucky. As you will be lucky if you're drawn in a group with Iceland or Northern Ireland. But in the World Cup some of the very best teams are taking part that are missing in the Euros. The fact they're not from Europe doesn't change that they are some of the very best teams.

So once you're out of the group stage, you may be eliminated in the WC by teams that don't even take part in the Euros. Vice versa is much more unlikely. Because all of Europe's best teams are present in the WC. And you're not gonna win either the Euros or the World Cup with a team that has a chance of being beaten by nations that take part in the Euros but not in the World Cup.

Get off your high horse and spare me your lessons in pseudopsychology, I'm not even sure you know how to juggle a ball, but you keep talking as if you were receiving revelation from football gods.
African football is shit and I'm well placed to talk about it because I watch it on regular basis unlike you. Ghana is just the tree that hides the forest like many african national teams in the past.
But I agree with on one thing, this conversation has become annoying, and it's about time to stop it right here.

Yes, Algeria is so shit they nearly eliminated us. Maybe you missed the fact that a fair share of the African players aren't playing in African but in European football teams. You are the one to talk about "getting off your high horse." Sorry if you can't keep a discussion up using arguments instead of making it personal and citing your authorities. Have to leave for today anyways now, so I'll be out of it.