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#12 wrote:Who are runners up in BuLi?

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At this point in Guardiola's first season his winning percentage was 92%. If you include the 'non-competitive' matches (DFL Supercup/UEFA Supercup/FIFA Club World Cup) it was 90%.

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There. Kroos dooesn't defend myth debunked.
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Thiago more tackles/interceptions than Vidal

Dumbledore7 wrote:Thiago more tackles/interceptions than Vidal

My God, look at these ratings. He's taking the league 2009 Robben like.

Dumbledore7 wrote:There. Kroos dooesn't defend myth debunked.

Well, the problem is attack, me thinks. He's got pretty high ratings there. Question is, would you rate a player so high for all these assists he's having when in fact half of them come from corner kicks?

Problem as in...? That has nothing to but with his still-commendable defensive stats. To answer the question anyway, I don't rate players on assists, nor do I rate players for goals except in the case of pure #9 strikers. I rate what I watch.

tflags wrote:

Dumbledore7 wrote:There. Kroos dooesn't defend myth debunked.

Well, the problem is attack, me thinks. He's got pretty high ratings there. Question is, would you rate a player so high for all these assists he's having when in fact half of them come from corner kicks?

I was wondering about this is another discussion I was having!!! Where can I look at the nature of assists by player? I'm pretty sure Kroos has inflated figured because of Ramos/Ronaldo goals on corners and freekicks.

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Nevermind. Constructed the data myself cause it was bugging me. Here it is, for everyone's amusement:

The Kroos assist figure just bugged me. It seemed fishy. So I dug up a bit.



It turns out that Kroos has only 1 more open-play assist than Thiago (numbers are pretty small so it's not really valid data to base conclusions upon). What is really interesting (I suspected something fishy) is that Kroos' assist per 90' metric is very very veeery inflated by corner kicks and set pieces. Out of 10 assists, only 3 come from open play.

Now, Kroos IS probably the best set piece taker in Europe at the moment, no ones disputing that. But you also have to wonder, how much responsibility for those assists is due to Kroos and how much is due to Ronaldo/Ramos exceptional heading abilities? We don't really have any good headers, except Hummels (who is no Ramos anyway...). Food for thought.

As to how that translates into chances created, I'm not sure, but pointing out that Kroos is the primary and undisputable indirect set-piece/corner taker for Real and Thiago is just a partial one for us probably skews the data.

IMO, Kroos is by far the single most overrated footballer in Europe.

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That's a very interesting post. I don't think Kroos is overated by the way. Otherwise you would have gotten a thanks on that last post.

tflags wrote:That's a very interesting post. I don't think Kroos is overated by the way. Otherwise you would have gotten a thanks on that last post.

Hahaha. Depends on which ratings you're comparing him to. He is undoubtedly one of the best MF around, but not THE best like most people think and say.

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