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Coutinho had a good chance to score, and had he scored, we'd have likely won the match. However, he knew Boateng was at the back so he purposely lost the ball instead of scoring. By far his greatest contribution to the club so far!

IsiahRashad wrote:He lost the ball 75 meters away from our goalie, but whatever.

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I forgot that we play futsal with only 4 outfield players. Denial that bias exists gives it more power.

Yes, with cOUTinho's salary roughly as much as the entire Frankfurt XI's you'd expect him to at least pass if the so-called magician can't dribble.

I agree that neither Muller nor Coutinho will be at their best level so long as Kovac is the coach, so the comparison is probably not SUPER valuable at the moment.

That being said: I don't think Kovac impacts either one selectively. The negative impact of Kovac's management likely hits them both equally, no more or less for the other. Coutinho has suffered from Kovac's management as much as Muller has and vice-versa. And even with that being said: Muller has simply been the better player lately - better today, better vs Bochum, better vs Union, better vs Olympiacos, etc. And of course while one could claim it's been against weaker opposition, at the same time Coutinho's best performances have came against the likes of Paderborn and Köln, so I don't think that is a particularly strong argument one way or another.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Coutinho and was quite excited to have him join us, but at the moment I have a very hard time making much of a quantifiable argument as to why he is "better" - or at bare minimum why he should be playing more than Muller at the moment.
And perhaps unfortunately for him - everything will have to be viewed through the lens of his price tag - and at the moment he is not really very close at all to living up to it, which I think naturally negatively impacts one's perception of his performances. It's not just that they're "okay" or even "bad" performances, but they're that level of performance from one of the team's highest earners who would be one of the most expensive transfers in history were we to make it permanently. You have to expect more, I think.

aterford wrote:I agree that neither Muller nor Coutinho will be at their best level so long as Kovac is the coach, so the comparison is probably not SUPER valuable at the moment.

That being said: I don't think Kovac impacts either one selectively. The negative impact of Kovac's management likely hits them both equally, no more or less for the other. Coutinho has suffered from Kovac's management as much as Muller has and vice-versa. And even with that being said: Muller has simply been the better player lately - better today, better vs Bochum, better vs Union, better vs Olympiacos, etc. And of course while one could claim it's been against weaker opposition, at the same time Coutinho's best performances have came against the likes of Paderborn and Köln, so I don't think that is a particularly strong argument one way or another.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Coutinho and was quite excited to have him join us, but at the moment I have a very hard time making much of a quantifiable argument as to why he is "better" - or at bare minimum why he should be playing more than Muller at the moment.
And perhaps unfortunately for him - everything will have to be viewed through the lens of his price tag - and at the moment he is not really very close at all to living up to it, which I think naturally negatively impacts one's perception of his performances. It's not just that they're "okay" or even "bad" performances, but they're that level of performance from one of the team's highest earners who would be one of the most expensive transfers in history were we to make it permanently. You have to expect more, I think.

This might be the first productive comment in this entire thread. Not a hate fest spewed either direction