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tflags wrote:

MUTU wrote:

tflags wrote:Make it simple please. A yes or no is appreciated.

It's too simple. Would I sell him for 2 euros? No. Would I sell him for 10 billion euros? Yes. So what should I answer?

It IS a simple question. Arguing beyond the obvious meaning is irrelevant. Of course for 200 million the team will probably sell its soul; that is simply not the question.

The question is, given a simple and fair offer, should FCB sell Thomas Mueller. None has asked what is his value or is he worth 80 million or 20. If the clubs considers that - based on fair market valuation parameters - that he's worth say, 40 million for example, and an offer of that magnitude comes along, should Bayern sell him?

It IS a simple question. . .

I mean, if you want to make it that simple, you should apply that same question to every single player we have: If the club considers that _____ is worth €xyz and an offer comes in for €xyz, should they sell him?
Something tells me there's more to it than that...

No

tflags wrote:

MUTU wrote:

tflags wrote:Make it simple please. A yes or no is appreciated.

It's too simple. Would I sell him for 2 euros? No. Would I sell him for 10 billion euros? Yes. So what should I answer?

It IS a simple question. Arguing beyond the obvious meaning is irrelevant. Of course for 200 million the team will probably sell its soul; that is simply not the question.

The question is, given a simple and fair offer, should FCB sell Thomas Mueller. None has asked what is his value or is he worth 80 million or 20. If the clubs considers that - based on fair market valuation parameters - that he's worth say, 40 million for example, and an offer of that magnitude comes along, should Bayern sell him?

It IS a simple question. . .

But that's the thing. It's not what the club values him for, but the question is rather what the users here value him for. If Bayern value Mueller at 40M and a user here values him at 30M and an offer comes in at 35M, that would be a yes.

If Bayern value Mueller at 40M and a user here values him at 150M and an offer comes in at 80M, that would be a 'no' answer despite exceeding the board's evaluation.

Pretty much, in any case, the club's evaluation is irrelevant. Only the user's evaluation is. Above a certain treshold it's always going to be a yes, no matter how high that number must be. I don't think anyone here feels we shouldn't sell him if someone hypothetically offers 200 BILLION euros for him. So, what's everyone's red line? Mine is around 130M.

Let’s just assume that we receive an offer equal to his current market value as per, let’s say, transfermarkt.

MoFattal wrote:Let’s just assume that we receive an offer equal to his current market value as per, let’s say, transfermarkt.

So 50M. No thanks.

Unfortunately we have no one else.

MUTU wrote:

MoFattal wrote:Let’s just assume that we receive an offer equal to his current market value as per, let’s say, transfermarkt.

So 50M. No thanks.

You think we could get 50 million € for him right now? I don't think so...

Mueller is untouchable... hands off #25

No

Fénix wrote:

MUTU wrote:

MoFattal wrote:Let’s just assume that we receive an offer equal to his current market value as per, let’s say, transfermarkt.

So 50M. No thanks.

You think we could get 50 million € for him right now? I don't think so...

And that's the rub for me.
CIES puts his market value at €30m, which I think is probably more realistic here. Maybe make it simple, split right down the middle, and call it €40m. Taking into account his age and unorthodox play-style/skillset, I think not many teams would offer more than that, honestly.

At the same time: even *if* he's really slumping or 'past it' or whatever, I think it probably takes more than €30, €40, perhaps even more than €50m to get a player who can consistently produce at the same level/rate. And as I've said ad nauseam: I don't think there's any potential transfer that's being blocked because we haven't sold Müller. If we want to buy a given player, we'll buy them even if we don't get an extra 30, 40, 50m from selling Müller, and if we don't think they're worth the money, it doesn't matter if we sell Müller and get some extra cash or not.

I think it's fair to say Müller's down compared to previous years, but he's in a weird spot where I think we'd have to pay more to replace his production than we'd get from selling him.

Yes,

and to everyone engaging in needless polemics, just assume that the price is right to whatever standard you deem appropriate for Müller and then answer.

Hardrade wrote:Yes,

and to everyone engaging in needless polemics, just assume that the price is right to whatever standard you deem appropriate for Müller and then answer.

Lol then that would be yes every time.

tflags wrote:Yes or no please.

A poll would be nicer for that.

No. Because I like him.

Take that how you want.