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Bazi, can you elaborate a bit regarding the games against CSKA and Freiburg. Are they increasing the capacity for those games as a way to test out their plan? Do you have more details on that?

Thnx

Bazi wrote:I don't understand how your post invalidates what I said.

I don't know, you asked why Barcelona and Madrid [proposed to] renovate instead of build new 80-100k seaters to prove a point when in fact Barcelona have proven that - in their case - it does make sense as they already have a 100k seater. That pretty much invalidates your own question.

tflags wrote:

Bazi wrote:I don't understand how your post invalidates what I said.

I don't know, you asked why Barcelona and Madrid [proposed to] renovate instead of build new 80-100k seaters to prove a point when in fact Barcelona have proven that - in their case - it does make sense as they already have a 100k seater. That pretty much invalidates your own question.

No it doesn't and you are twisting my post to your advantage which is again very bad stile. I didn't ask why Barcelona and Real Madrid opted for renovation, it was a rhetorical question. I explained that necessities of structural engineer dictate that building a new 100k seater is extraordinarily more expensive in relation to building a brandnew 60-70k seater. The core point of the discussion was why Bayern München didn't build the Allianz Arena with a capacity of 100k and whether or not that was the right decision and how it would have affected ticket prices.

The fact that Barcelona already has a 100k seater and opted to renovate over building a new state-of-the-art stadium at double the cost of the Allianz Arena, specifically proves that relying on the pre-existing infrastrucutre of their existing 100k seater is the only way to produce this kind of capacity at an affordable cost. Barcelona's example and their counter-plan with the new stadium exactly proves my point that reproducing a capacity of 100k from scratch is a lot more expensive and doesn't make sense from a business point of view. I showed the examples with Wembley and the strongly subsidized stadiums in the US, which support my thesis as well.

tflags wrote:

Bazi wrote:I didn't ask why Barcelona and Real Madrid opted for renovation,

Bazi wrote:but why do you think Real Madrid and Barcelona opted for a renovation of their old stadiums instead of building a new 80-100k seater?

You really don't understand what a rhetorical question is, do you? It's a stylistic device and not the same as actually asking a question...

Bazi wrote:You really don't understand what a rhetorical question is, do you? It's a stylistic device and not the same as actually asking a question...

Sure I do. It is the step that was never included but comes after "Shock and Denial" and before "Anger & Bargaining" on the long route to realization. You should have opted for path B. Gets to the same place but 6 steps faster. You can't avoid "Acceptance & Hope" though; its such a soul cleanser anyhow.

Please don't answer man, I'm really not being serious.

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It's granted.. AA will have 75000 seats as of probably the 2nd half of the season for BL and DFB pokal games and around 70000 for CL games

Official! Capacity increase approved - 75,000 spectators will now be in the Allianz Arena for FC Bayern's Bundesliga home games.

Great news. The sudkurve will be so much stronger now!

Haha nice, won't take long anymore and even here Dortmund will be 2nd only

Ottomeister13 wrote:Haha nice, won't take long anymore and even here Dortmund will be 2nd only

They are going into 2. bundesliga anyway

sorry Borusse, jk