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quaazi wrote:You're the worst hot-blooded Latino I know.

I am Lebanese, what can I say?

Ultras are enemies of profit, you can't go against that. It cannot be more simple as that.

They represent something else, but you know... Since we can't find today any idols and football model professional like Kahn, Effenberg, Basler, Zola, Del Piero, Raul, Zidane, etc., then we also must close the door to traditional way of cheering and suporting clubs.

On the other side, capitalism and money can't stop running wild through entire sport[football].

Consequently, from North to South, from West to East of this planet, they[Ultras] are against modern football, aren't they?

Country, culture, local traditions, they don't need to have anything with each other, all different and all of these people have their way of life but in one thing they are all united - against modern football.
Very interesting. No difference between one England and one Romania, Germany and Croatia, Italy and Bulgaria, Russia and France, etc.

tflags wrote:

quaazi wrote:You're the worst hot-blooded Latino I know.

I am Lebanese, what can I say?

Lebanese? And where are you from? Latin America? All this time I thought you're Chilean or Argentinian.

Fénix wrote:

tflags wrote:

quaazi wrote:You're the worst hot-blooded Latino I know.

I am Lebanese, what can I say?

Lebanese? And where are you from? Latin America? All this time I thought you're Chilean or Argentinian.

We ship worldwide

MoFattal wrote:We ship worldwide

We who?

You cannot ship more than Croats.

LIES, DAMN LIES.
You're from Around the world... in 80 days.

Fénix wrote:

MoFattal wrote:We ship worldwide

We who?

You cannot ship more than Croats.

I'm pretty certain we do, percentage-wide of course

Fénix wrote:Lebanese? And where are you from? Latin America? All this time I thought you're Chilean or Argentinian.

?. I think I have been pretty clear where I am from. I am also a Lebanese descendant from both sides and our community and customs are pretty tight. How is that surprising?

AssemFCB wrote:LIES, DAMN LIES.
You're from Around the world... in 80 days.

Hugh? I think I have been more than candid on my personal details? What is up with the 'lies' assumption?

tflags wrote:

Fénix wrote:Lebanese? And where are you from? Latin America? All this time I thought you're Chilean or Argentinian.

?. I think I have been pretty clear where I am from. I am also a Lebanese descendant from both sides and our community and customs are pretty tight. How is that surprising?

Simply I did not know before today and that's it. It not that much suprising.

tflags wrote:

AssemFCB wrote:LIES, DAMN LIES.
You're from Around the world... in 80 days.

Hugh? I think I have been more than candid on my personal details? What is up with the 'lies' assumption?

Oh, don't take that seriously, I'm only kidding around.

A new season has started, some new faces have joined, some old are missing and a new trainer is running the show. The first game against Borussia Mönchengladbach was a great success and the first three points of many to come were secured. But the greatest impression from the game wasn’t the excellent goal from Arjen, the own goal by Dante or the double penalty situation. The newspapers speak of “Ghostly Silence” and a “Cemetery like” experience. The heart of the Südkurve, sections 112/113 was gapingly empty, no drums, no singing, no jumping, no flags, and no "capo" to lead the songs. It was simply dead.

There were a few fans in the stadium who tried to start some chants but it was too uncoordinated and the majority of the fans in the stadium didn’t join in. After the numerous failed attempts to start the “Stand up if you are for Bayern” chant, there was a breakthrough in the second half of the game. Sadly most of the home fans failed to recognize the fact that the chant didn’t come from the Südkurve but the away section. So most of the home crowd happily stood up, smiled and clapped their hands to the tunes of “Stand up if you pay your taxes”, an obvious attack against president Hoeness, who is facing charges for tax evasion. “Hoeness in jail, Hoeness in jail” also echoed through the profound silent Allianz Arena and that's something everyone will have to get use to this season.

So why is the Südkurve so quiet? Anyone who followed the story the last couple of weeks will surely have a good idea. The board installed new turnstiles in the blocks 112/113 to prevent the “overcrowding” of these sections. The official statement from the board was that a couple of hundred new tickets were going to be available for 112/113. But not for the supporting groups. Instead they are handed out on a free-for-all basis. This season also started “well” with an additional 55 stadium bans after the troubles at the Nürnberg game last season. Important to note is that these people are neither suspected nor prosecuted for any crime; “guilty until proved otherwise” is the new line of justice in Munich. The board also withdrew all season tickets for away games in the German Cup as well as Champions League without any form of compensation or notice. People can't get into the Südkurve making it impossible to stay with their fan groups and friends. Some groups have already officially withdrawn from home game as a result of all this.

It is quite clear that the board is “cleaning up” in the Südkurve, just as other European counterparts have done before them (Manchester United, Paris Saint Germaine, Barcelona etc.). Locking out the “troublesome” fans and crowding the Südkurve with new, calm fans. The Gladbach game was a great success for the board because they achieved exactly what they strived for, almost all active support groups where MIA. It is therefore quite surprising that Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, chairman of the board, had this to say after the game;

"I don't know which decisions could have led to people not coming or being quiet. You have to ask the fans, at least those who were quiet. I don't know the reason."

He also had the following to say when asked about why there is no dialog with the fan scene;

"There is a permanent fan dialogue - and that's it. If then 200 to 300 people are of the opinion they must be quiet, then you can't change it"

Luckily Rummenigge doesn’t have to tend to these matters himself, 2011 he employed the services of Wolfgang Salewski, hostage negotiator and anti-terrorism expert to deal with the fans from Südkurve. Mr. Salewski had this to say about the situation;

„I had already expected this; there were too few support-willing fans in the Kurve."

After all the open letters to the board, to the players, to the fellow fans, our chairman of the board “…don't know the reason…”. If the chairman of the board doesn't communicate with the man he himself employed to handle fan-related issues, what value does this so called “permanent fan-dialog” have?
But fear not friends, because the hostage expert, Salewski, sees an end to the troubles;

"In the Südkurve, people who are willing to support will have to find each other first. Then there will be support again. Firstly though, it will stay for a couple of games like this".

So the “expert” is of the opinion that in a couple of weeks new people and new songs will echo from the Südkurve. With this statement Salewski says that the 41 year tradition of Südkurve can easily be replaced with new people and songs in a couple of weeks. This shows exactly how large the gap between the fans and the board truly is.

Forever Südkurve!

FC Bayern WorldWide 2013

And, of course, the FCBWW statement offers no solutions themselves.

It's like watching two children bicker in a sandbox.

This seems to be a very delicate situation, should the board allow these ultras to run freely and possibly endanger others or themselves to create a better atmosphere or try to stamp them put but risk havin these type of games. Tbh I don't know which is the option i prefer...

Good news, Uli won't give up. He's got what he wanted all the time - no fans, no song, just theatre. Nice job, no more Arrogant Arena, herr Uli.

https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/freiheit-fuer-die-kurve-mehr-stehplaetze-in-der-alianz-arena

Online petition from Südkurve. They want more freedom and standing places at Allianz Arena. Today at 13:36h there were about 5502 who signed petition, now it's on 10709. This petition started yesterday. But I don't think this is going to change something. They created stadium for customers, fcked up fans when the club and constructor were talking about the look. If they couldn't give one whole side of stadium for ultras, then we have today what we have. Gladbach fans were much louder last Friday.

Rummenigge confused? hahahaha. What an idiot! One German not to have answers about this issue, yeah right... Funny boy this Kalle.

Even our eternal enemies, 1860 München have also to say something on this.

Fans from Dortmund and Gelsenkirchen are mocking all the time.

Thank YOU, herr Hoeness. You won, they[fans] lost. Like all years before, when they said something at stadium through coreos to Uli what he couldn't swallow(but it was true talk from them), ban. His friend who works as anti-terrorist negotiator which was used eariler can something say about this 'terrorists'. Like our fans are barbaric Balkan hools, east European, Italian or French hools.

But I must say, Uli and Bayern aren't in position to demand and dictate something. They've worked hard to get this situation, ultras told where they've mistaken in the past, but still that doesn't mean you can ban loudspeaker, remove fan banners, keep their mouth shut, what can they sing and what not, etc.

In the mean time, Grünwalder Strasse stadion and kleine Bayern are having awesome support, players are so happy and they're playing from the first round like never before. There are no restrictions, bans, nothing. Almost everything is permitted, and flares are visible as well. Multi-millionaires[big boyz FCB] are losing great support.