Dumbledore7 wrote:Keep this thread going, love this shit. I'll weigh in on it too if I have time. Man, wish ottackon was here.
nm462272 wrote:JANCKER wrote:nm462272 wrote:...did i miss something?
In the beginning there was nothing... he tried to explain nothing.
okay, so this video is missing all context of the conversation. how can anyone know if Dawkins was "owned" without any context?
i'm going to assume that Dawkins was talking about what happened before the Big Bang, and there is no way to know what happened before that.
ramsej84 wrote:Firefox1234 wrote:In my personal life I was semi raised religiously as I attended a Christian school and went to church moderately. But to be honest it was the "fear" of God that kept me a believer than anything else and I eventually outgrew that fear. It also didn't help that the more I studied about world history and the things done in "the name of God", the abuse of religion by the Catholic Church for centuries and in my personal life seeing a lot of hate coming from so called children of God made me become more distasteful of religion. My dad Kenyan born also shared to me why he stopped being religious due to the abuse he witnessed in his youth(not experienced fortunately). To this day he reminds me that religion was the worst thing that the Europeans brought to Africa.
Don't get me wrong I'm not painting religious people with a brush but I rather not feel like I'm feeling brainwashed especially amongst former colonies like Africa and Latin/South America. Never understood why embrace a belief system meant to subjugate you
In my opinion people should be free to believe in whatever they want as long as it doesn't impede the rights of others....
Sorry to hear that... but I am sure that you also appreciate the help that most Religious volunteers carry out in Africa and rest assured that they don't look after Catholics they help everyone... they build hospitals , schools etc. I had a family member who lived in Kenya for many years, she also spoke Swahili...
Malta does a lot of Charity around the world especially in Kenya Sudan Ethiopia Tanzania Nigeria and in S.America and Asia namely Pakistan India Philippines...
P.S in Africa other Religious which were not brought by Europeans are present as well...
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JANCKER wrote:He said that it must've been "something pretty misterious".
nm462272 wrote:JANCKER wrote:He said that it must've been "something pretty misterious".
i believe the key difference is that agnostics or atheists would say the cause is unknown, or would adjust their view based upon the latest scientific findings, and a theist would say there is no other option than what their holy book/teachings say it is.
JANCKER wrote:nm462272 wrote:JANCKER wrote:He said that it must've been "something pretty misterious".
i believe the key difference is that agnostics or atheists would say the cause is unknown, or would adjust their view based upon the latest scientific findings, and a theist would say there is no other option than what their holy book/teachings say it is.
Atheist and agnostic are different... atheists believe that there is no god. Agnostics are more open minded, I considered myself to be one for some time.
Prove that there is no god and I will follow.
You think that you're a free thinker because you're agnostic/atheist... a TV and a computer won't make you smarter than your theist ancestors.
JANCKER wrote:harry-muc wrote:JANCKER wrote:Where is the evidence that he doesn't exist?Exactly, a belief.
if YOU claim something exists, YOU have to bring the evidence. thats the way it works.
You bring the evidence that he doesn't exist and I stop believing. That's the way it works.
JANCKER wrote:He said that it must've been "something pretty misterious".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v34QjYPuiEA
Is Dawkins confused over claims that the universe can come "from nothing"? Material incorporated under Fair Use for critical, journalistic, educational and satirical purposes. The latter approach is encouraged by Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss themselves, who describe satire and ridicule as "legitimate" forms of argumentation, and affirm that "there's no-one whose views are not subject to question".
MUTU wrote:The evidence lies in a probability calculation that life would have been created on Earth the way it is following the big bang. The probability is so extremely low that it is virtually impossible. It is therefore extremely beyond reasonable doubt that a form of higher entity exists/existed.harry-muc wrote:JANCKER wrote:Where is the evidence that he doesn't exist?Exactly, a belief.
if YOU claim something exists, YOU have to bring the evidence. thats the way it works.
ramsej84 wrote:I am interested to know when most of you decided to forget everything and to became atheists.
Former believes vs current believes...
I bet that only a handful of Muslims will ever become atheists... and I tell you why, cause they love their Religion and live by what they are thought, while Christians become indifferent cause our Rel is more relaxed... I really admire the moderate Muslims...
P . S Catholicism teaches that all men / women can go to heaven and one doesn't have to be RC or another form of Christian...
FCBayernMunchen wrote:#12 wrote:Don't get me wrong, it is absolutely stunning and insane, how life works, how small we are, etc...
BUT: Our species and it's limited tech alone knows of a four digit number of planets highly likely to carry life alone - it's not that improbable
I might be saying something scientifically stupid here (while science does interest me a lot, I can't claim a high level of knowledge in it), but if the chances of having the right combination of elements to support life is as rare as MUTU and many, many others claim, then the fact that there are so many other planets with similar combinations kind of increases the probability of a higher entity.
Dalv wrote:To joke on king James' bible translations (which are most likely correct in this regard, don't think original hebrew versions had any sex equity in mind either): so God is a male since He, His, Him are so present?
You do realize that God who allegedly brought wrath upon such sins is the same God which commanded its people to conquer and murder, marry siblings etc? The God which was jealous of the Egyptian gods and showed off with curses to see which is more powerful? Do you know what I'm talking about? Have you ever wondered why there are such contradictions in the Bible? The answer is a fairly easy one.
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