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Dalv wrote:That's unlikely, religious people in Europe are generally decreasing since new generations have access to free information and better education and most of them become free thinkers. Not to mention church as an institution is losing trust and support from its followers even in eastern Europe and also it has lost all its political power already. So yeah, religions in Europe are on the decline. Just compare today Europe with only a century ago, the difference is huge, churches in UK are now pubs. There's no place/point for religion in the future.

Dalv wrote:@ramsej:
Yeah, Jesus who according to NT worshiped the gods from the Old Testament, who saw the following people in heavens and gave them as examples: Abraham who was a pimp and married his sister, Jacob Israel who killed his brother and betrayed his father, Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines etc. Jesus who according to NT threatened some cities they shall be cursed (killed) as the Sodom and Gomorrah etc.

Man sorry but you don't know your own stuff very well. And let's be serious we are adults, Jesus, if he existed, was a rebel leader against the Roman Empire with some irrational visions of his own but somewhat typical for that time because they didnt have education, who never went to work but hippied in bars and taverns all day with his gang and didn't write anything either, he didn't even know how to write.

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Dalv wrote:

ramsej84 wrote:With all due respect dalv. You are sinking in BS...
The Book you mentioned promotes those things? I guess you are mixing things up my friend...
I am not judging you cause I am a sinner 100times more than you are but your post is very offensive and .....

I am waiting for an apology if God forbids somebody (hope no one does) offends another Rel he will be deemed Racist and will get banned

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What, banned, are you for real? Have you not read the Bible at all? Do you really want me to point some extremely obvious things from it in here?
Not only does it start from 2 humans, but incest appears in many many parts, even Abraham the "great father" was married to his own sister who was also having sex for money with the Pharaoh and other rich people. Abraham agreed with these practices because they needed money, therefore he was a pimp.
Murder, racism, xenophobia? God (or some of the Gods, because there's more than 1 in the Bible) orders his chosen people to murder other people/countries on their way to Canaan, the Jericho assault and the aftermath rapes of young woman and children is mentioned in quite the detail as ordered by God.
These were just a very quick call. There are countless examples in the Bible for horrible things like these, do you really want me to quote them exactly? And that is a very self explaining painting from an orthodox church. These are facts, not offending.

Man just to let you know in Catholic countries gays are not hanged in public or thrown from the tallest buildings...
Or We are not allowed to marry ten year olds...
And if you will read the New Testament... From the date Jesus was born...

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Dalv wrote:You are referring to faith, not belief, or you are referring to belief without evidence if you want, which is not the case for (most) atheists.
Of course they form some sort of belief/consent, they don't lack a brain. Just like a scientist who believes (as in accepts/consents with the reality of something) when supplied with compelling evidence. This also doesn't mean devotion, since this stance can change if new evidence points otherwise as opposed to faith/*religious belief without evidence* which is an unmovable stance no matter the evidence. So yeah, quite a difference. It's the same with the lack of evidence, or unsatisfying evidence provided thus far combined with reason, Russell's teapot, atheists form a stance of highly unlikeliness towards the existence of a creator.

And yes, there are militant atheists who wanna shove it others throats, I give you that.

MUTU wrote:

Dalv wrote:You are referring to faith, not belief, or you are referring to belief without evidence if you want, which is not the case for (most) atheists.
Of course they form some sort of belief/consent, they don't lack a brain. Just like a scientist who believes (as in accepts/consents with the reality of something) when supplied with compelling evidence. This also doesn't mean devotion, since this stance can change if new evidence points otherwise as opposed to faith/*religious belief without evidence* which is an unmovable stance no matter the evidence. So yeah, quite a difference. It's the same with the lack of evidence, or unsatisfying evidence provided thus far combined with reason, Russell's teapot, atheists form a stance of highly unlikeliness towards the existence of a creator.

And yes, there are militant atheists who wanna shove it others throats, I give you that.

That's not atheism, that's agnosticism. If you would believe given sufficient proof then you're agnostic. A proper atheist is someone who, no matter what hard proof he or she is shown, will remain stubborn and not believe.