Fénix wrote:Martinez' got this season really made himself after dream 2012/2013 season where he was an integral part of our total dominance along with Dante as chief of defence where Bayern conceded under 40 goals in all competitons.
runaway wrote:The thing I've noticed is, a lot of Bayern fans already have some sort of clouded mythology about last year as if it was our perfect season and it's the best as it ever going to get.Don Jupp didn't get the Treble in one night.
runaway wrote:Yeah I agree that last season has a very, very, very special meaning but I don't agree to what most people think that we're not going to surpass/equal that achievement/season. This Bayern team is relatively young, our manager is one of the best, and we are a well-run club. The cards are laid on the table, and it's up to us how we're going to play it. In all honesty, we're not yet at the level of fame of RM and Barca. Our Treble was not of a story of a King claiming its throne but of David slaying Goliath. My Ultimate dream is to see a Golden Era like that of Beckenbauer, Muller, etc in my lifetime.![]()
Here's to our dream of Der Zehnte!(is that the German for La Decima, The Tenth? just used google translate
)
runaway wrote:Yeah I agree that last season has a very, very, very special meaning but I don't agree to what most people think that we're not going to surpass/equal that achievement/season. This Bayern team is relatively young, our manager is one of the best, and we are a well-run club. The cards are laid on the table, and it's up to us how we're going to play it. In all honesty, we're not yet at the level of fame of RM and Barca. Our Treble was not of a story of a King claiming its throne but of David slaying Goliath. My Ultimate dream is to see a Golden Era like that of Beckenbauer, Muller, etc in my lifetime.![]()
Here's to our dream of Der Zehnte!(is that the German for La Decima, The Tenth? just used google translate
)
runaway wrote:Yeah I agree that last season has a very, very, very special meaning but I don't agree to what most people think that we're not going to surpass/equal that achievement/season. This Bayern team is relatively young, our manager is one of the best, and we are a well-run club. The cards are laid on the table, and it's up to us how we're going to play it. In all honesty, we're not yet at the level of fame of RM and Barca. Our Treble was not of a story of a King claiming its throne but of David slaying Goliath. My Ultimate dream is to see a Golden Era like that of Beckenbauer, Muller, etc in my lifetime.![]()
Here's to our dream of Der Zehnte!(is that the German for La Decima, The Tenth? just used google translate
)
FCBayernMunchen wrote:Fénix wrote:Martinez' got this season really made himself after dream 2012/2013 season where he was an integral part of our total dominance along with Dante as chief of defence where Bayern conceded under 40 goals in all competitons.
Unless I'm making a mistake last season we conceded 33 goals in 4 competitions. So far this season, we have conceded 33 goals in the same 4 competitions (it is 34 in total if we add the UEFA Super Cup and CWC), with 6-7 games left in all competitions. Unless we are humiliated in 1+ games, it won't be that worse. We have to admit that conceding 33 goals in 4 competitions is a feat almost impossible to repeat.
We actually have a better record in the CL this season, having conceded 8 goals compared to the 10 at the same stage last season. In the Pokal we have a brilliant record in both seasons (2 goals this year, 1 goal last year prior to the final, where we conceded 2 more). In the Bundesliga we have conceded 20 goals with 3 games left, while last season we conceded 18 in total after 34 games. 7 of those 20 goals have come since we won the league, more than a third.
These 4 games we've played since winning the league, and the 4-2 loss vs Dortmund in Guardiola's first competitive game, make our defence seem much worse than last season, but I think in reality we're not too far off.
FCBayernMunchen wrote:I agree that our defence is playing very differently and has probably become more vulnerable. What I wanted to point out is that the common idea that our defence is terrible is a myth. We've heard it a lot especially this past week. Our defence needs different players if they're going to play so high up, but even with the current players it is still one of the best.
DerKaiser wrote:This is a well written article, tell me what you guys think
http://bundesligafanatic.com/in-defense-of-pep-guardiola-and-bayern-munichs-tiki-taka/
DerKaiser wrote:This is a well written article, tell me what you guys think
http://bundesligafanatic.com/in-defense-of-pep-guardiola-and-bayern-munichs-tiki-taka/
Fénix wrote:FCBayernMunchen wrote:I agree that our defence is playing very differently and has probably become more vulnerable. What I wanted to point out is that the common idea that our defence is terrible is a myth. We've heard it a lot especially this past week. Our defence needs different players if they're going to play so high up, but even with the current players it is still one of the best.
Yeah, some people have already started to push Luiz in Bayern shirt because both Dante and Boateng suck. Well, I'm not surprised, not a little bit...
Even if we could have a chance to have Maldini-Nesta-Stam-Cafu from their best football years all together, Bayern would still have problems with defense standing too far from own goal.
It's impossible on the wide area to anticipate and cover all space during the counter attacks. Nobody can't!
I haven't met those defenders yet who are 2 times faster than opponent's wingers, strikers, midfielders and who can overrun every single time and clean the situation.
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