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Postby Firefox1234 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:42 am

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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:46 am

I had mentioned Serge once... But. Tbh I have my reservations...

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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:54 am

Firefox1234 wrote: Can't see tweet? Click here!
I am reading some of the tweets under this and I agree that it is like out of nowhere the majority of coaches have turned to a back three...

Conte and Nagelsmann were kind of the catalysts for it
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:11 am

3 atb ONLY if we sign Haaland
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:38 am

FCBayernMunchen wrote:3 atb ONLY if we sign Haaland
Why?
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:50 am

ramsej84 wrote:
FCBayernMunchen wrote:3 atb ONLY if we sign Haaland
Why?

Because it is the only reason it would make sense to adopt a formation which either has no wingers (3-4-1-2 / 3-4-2-1 / 3-2-3-2) or has one fewer midfielder (3-4-3) when those are literally the only two positions we are set in with great players both starting and on the bench.
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Ottomeister87 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:41 am

Why all this inventing the game again bs every time. Bayern players have made the coaches change it to 4231 before. They are a scoring machine like that.

Why would you put Gnabry at RWB if his strong points are clearly somewhere else.

Also this 3 atb bs has hardly worked at any club tbh. Leave it just like it is, but strengthen the squad where the pain points are..
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Achilles » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:04 pm

Ottomeister87 wrote:Why all this inventing the game again bs every time. Bayern players have made the coaches change it to 4231 before. They are a scoring machine like that.
Why would you put Gnabry at RWB if his strong points are clearly somewhere else.
Also this 3 atb bs has hardly worked at any club tbh. Leave it just like it is, but strengthen the squad where the pain points are..

Maybe it can work that 3-5-2/3-4-3 but just like you I can't understand why every coach has to leave his mark by completely changing the things that work perfect already and can't just focus on improving the style or fixing some issues rather than reinventing formations and plays.

Honestly, I like what I hear from Nagelsmann and some of his changes but I wanted to hear these things after Ancelotti tenure.
Now, I believe we have something that works extremely well on the offensive end and we need some adjustments on the defensive end so we can achieve balance, therefore I wouldn't change a thing from our offensive game for his first season.

The defensive approach needs some heavy work on tactics but I'm sure that the new CB duo will help with the improvement.
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Ottomeister87 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:08 pm

I am sure that if Flick would have taken the back line, just 10 yards back. They would have conceded a lot less.
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:20 pm

I agree with you ...
However there were previous coaches who changed (a winning team) a lot but were never questioned....
Apparently though most clubs are changing to that system. .
The 4.2.3.1 was kind of invented by Loew vs Portugal 2008...
And I remember trying it out on the Germany roster myself since believe it or not I played that system way back in 2001/2002 with an Albanian coach who used to be a Pro in Serie B and Serie C in Italy...
Now it is the turn of the 352 again... Like how it was in the 90s
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby YlonenXabi » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:42 pm

ramsej84 wrote:I agree with you ...
However there were previous coaches who changed (a winning team) a lot but were never questioned....


I don't know if you are referring to Pep, but let me tell you something.

You always need to continue developing your tactics because what works one year won't work forever. Just like we went from Sextuple to only winning BL with the same coach and similar tactics.

When a team dominates football like we or Barça did in the past, your opponents will start to figure you out at some point and you will need to come up with something new.



ramsej84 wrote:The 4.2.3.1 was kind of invented by Loew vs Portugal 2008...



WTF ????????????????
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:47 pm

Oh

Portugal were 423.1

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/match/301 ... s/?iv=true

Prob Ger were like that as well with poldi operating behind klose

So it was NOT Loew who invented it
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby YlonenXabi » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:24 pm

Dude, the 4-2-3-1 was already deployed in the early 90s.

Even Deportivo de la Coruña played 4-2-3-1 quite frequently with Irureta as a coach and either Djalminha or Valeron behind Roy Makaay. They even won La Liga and Copa del Rey not to mention they beat us at Allianz Arena in the Champions League too
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Re: 2021/22 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:28 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:Dude, the 4-2-3-1 was already deployed in the early 90s.

Even Deportivo de la Coruña played 4-2-3-1 quite frequently with Irureta as a coach and either Djalminha or Valeron behind Roy Makaay. They even won La Liga and Copa del Rey not to mention they beat us at Allianz Arena in the Champions League too
Thanks was not aware ..

As I said though I played it in 2001
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