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[#12]

I like it .... it gives a space for Renato ... or Leon to start next to Thiago and Tolisso

Yes, start more average please!

[Coman]

Any midfield with both Goretzka and Tolisso shouldnt exist for mental health.

[sherpthederp]

Any midfield with both Goretzka and Tolisso shouldnt exist for mental health.

Tolisso and Goretzka both seem to play better as the right 8 in that 433/4141 so I don’t know what Kovacs “plans” are if that what he wants to use.

I tend to prefer Tolisso as he brings almost as much presence in the box and crashing ability as Goretzka with much better awareness of his defensive responsibilities. I remember him consistently covering Kimmich when Kimmich would combine the right wing in his first season. Kimmich would overlap quite often and Tolisso would immediately sink back and right to cover the hole in that half space.

Last season Kimmich‘s aggressiveness was a weak spot for us because he had no midfield cover and Süle would be caught out marking his own man as well as Kimmich’s. Süle really did get hung out to dry quite often last season and Kimmich’s lack of a second man to help support in transition was a giant hole in our play.

Goretzka doesn’t track back or read the game as well as Tolisso in that aspect. That doesn’t mean he can’t develop those skills as Tolisso did, I remember the first half of Tolisso’s first season here, quite a few of us were confused to his role as he had no clue how to read a game or settle the tempo. By the end of that season he had grown into it and the last match vs Real was an impressive show of what he and Thiago can do together.

Tolisso is much better at linking play between the 6 role and the wide players, I was also pleasantly surprised in how well he did for the first half of the Milan game in Thiagos role. He was very confident on the ball and his passing range was quite impressive. I get that it was only 45min of a preseason match, but that was a very good sign.

[#12]

Any midfield with both Goretzka and Tolisso shouldnt exist for mental health.

Tolisso and Goretzka both seem to play better as the right 8 in that 433/4141 so I don’t know what Kovacs “plans” are if that what he wants to use.

I tend to prefer Tolisso as he brings almost as much presence in the box and crashing ability as Goretzka with much better awareness of his defensive responsibilities. I remember him consistently covering Kimmich when Kimmich would combine the right wing in his first season. Kimmich would overlap quite often and Tolisso would immediately sink back and right to cover the hole in that half space.

Last season Kimmich‘s aggressiveness was a weak spot for us because he had no midfield cover and Süle would be caught out marking his own man as well as Kimmich’s. Süle really did get hung out to dry quite often last season and Kimmich’s lack of a second man to help support in transition was a giant hole in our play.

Goretzka doesn’t track back or read the game as well as Tolisso in that aspect. That doesn’t mean he can’t develop those skills as Tolisso did, I remember the first half of Tolisso’s first season here, quite a few of us were confused to his role as he had no clue how to read a game or settle the tempo. By the end of that season he had grown into it and the last match vs Real was an impressive show of what he and Thiago can do together.

Tolisso is much better at linking play between the 6 role and the wide players, I was also pleasantly surprised in how well he did for the first half of the Milan game in Thiagos role. He was very confident on the ball and his passing range was quite impressive. I get that it was only 45min of a preseason match, but that was a very good sign.

Also, he's able to pass to an actual teammate, even if he’s 10 or 20m away...

[thomasmann]

I recommend to wait for the end of the transfer period. Something else will have to happen, otherwise their will be trouble....

17 players, of which Sanchez, Arp and Davies are good enough against the BuLi bottom teams only... It will be a real desaster if there are only two injuries, which would leave only one on the bench...
Winning the BuLi should not be too much of a problem, but in the knockout stage of the CL... A little bit of bad luck like last year and Liverpool or City will once again mean be the end, right at the beginning....

[bmguy]

I recommend to wait for the end of the transfer period. Something else will have to happen, otherwise their will be trouble....

17 players, of which Sanchez, Arp and Davies are good enough against the BuLi bottom teams only... It will be a real desaster if there are only two injuries, which would leave only one on the bench...
Winning the BuLi should not be too much of a problem, but in the knockout stage of the CL... A little bit of bad luck like last year and Liverpool or City will once again mean be the end, right at the beginning....

I don't think so, we'll have big trouble in both Buli and CL as Dortmund now have a great depth in their team. With a thin squad, it would become disaster if either Coman or Gnabry gets injured.

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[#12]

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What to take from this:

-moron never learns, and didn’t even test that system yet... Great idea to "try" it when the season has started! Same with Müller!
-I was right to want another midfielder as this is destined to fail with the same players... Goretzka...
-"Müller can play there"

[r10]

Same with Müller!
-"Müller can play there"

Th. Mueller is useful only in two instances:
* Tapping-in (which becomes more and more song of the past unfortunately);
** Assisting to Lewandowski.

[thomasmann]

I recommend to wait for the end of the transfer period. Something else will have to happen, otherwise their will be trouble....

17 players, of which Sanchez, Arp and Davies are good enough against the BuLi bottom teams only... It will be a real desaster if there are only two injuries, which would leave only one on the bench...
Winning the BuLi should not be too much of a problem, but in the knockout stage of the CL... A little bit of bad luck like last year and Liverpool or City will once again mean be the end, right at the beginning....

I don't think so, we'll have big trouble in both Buli and CL as Dortmund now have a great depth in their team. With a thin squad, it would become disaster if either Coman or Gnabry gets injured.

As long as there are no two injuries to essential players at the same time... there will be no problems in the Buli....

I admit it is embarrassing to see, that no one in the Sabenerstrasse was able to get rid off the one true problem...
I can just about see in my nightmares that the apprentice takes out Thiago and substitutes Sanchez for him, or, Davies for Coman, and at the same time Arp for Lewandovski. I still see that nightmare of a game in Augsburg, where Kovacs was at his horror-best.

[thomasmann]

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What to take from this:

-moron never learns, and didn’t even test that system yet... Great idea to "try" it when the season has started! Same with Müller!
-I was right to want another midfielder as this is destined to fail with the same players... Goretzka...
-"Müller can play there"

"What to take from this: "

Not much really. Unlike for example Sanchez, Goretzka has improved enormously in the last season, he is young and will be good enough for Bayern, maybe from the start. It is a shame they did not get Havertz.

As we saw in the US games, the defense is still the same nightmare.... Pavard is getting better than he was Stuttgart, but basically overrated. Süle has atrocious blackouts regularly. Let us hope Hernandez is worth his price... Bayern needs someone as good as van Dyck...

[kod2600]

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[ramsej84]

#25 & his role in a 4.3.3 formation

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[IsiahRashad]

Thomas is the epitome of our team - his style was unseen and effective until a few years ago, but now there is no exact place for him in the same team.

[Dumbledore7]

The middle of the bench is where we'll need him the most.