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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:26 am

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:03 am

2.2.2 Bayern Munich
Bayern Munich play with a system which is very similar to that of Barcelona although they
have some differences in their style of play. When Bayern Munich played with Xabi Alonso
as a holding midfield player and Kimmich and Alcantara as the other two central midfield
players they were very similar to Barcelona but, when they played with Alcantara and Vidal in
front of Xabi Alonso, their style of play changed. One also has to take into consideration that
they played two different teams, PSV and Atletico Madrid, who although playing with the
same 1-4-4-2 system, they have different styles of play and different quality players.
During the non-possession phase, Bayern Munich’s three midfield players play close to each
other and they give cover to each other. They try to press as high on the pitch as possible.
Lewandowski, Muller and Robben try to push the opponents’ play to one side of the pitch
especially to the side were Robben plays as seen in Photo 6.

Photo 6: High pressing pushing opponent to one side
This is probably because they know that Robben will track back more than Muller, who
prefers staying in a more advanced position. But they also have the advantage that on
Robben’s side they have Lahm and Kimmich who can easily play both as full backs and also
as midfield players and therefore they can exchange positions with each other if the need
arises. Photo 7 clearly shows the rotation between the three players. The same movement
also happens on the other side when Ribery is playing

Their central defence is also very strong with Boateng who is a tall and very strong player
who leads the back four with his presence. The other central defender, Hummels, apart from
doing his defensive duties very well, can also participate very actively in his team’s build up.
Photo 8 shows Hummels acting more as a midfielder than as a central defender.

The Bayern Munich defenders try to keep a high line of defence in order to try and minimize
the spaces for opponents to play between the lines. They can do this because they know that
they have a goalkeeper who is fantastic with his feet and can collect any balls that are played
behind their defensive line. When they are not in possession, the central midfield players
stay close to each other although they are not as close and organised as the midfield trio of
Barcelona. One of the reasons could be that the three man midfield of Barcelona have been
playing together more than that of Bayern Munich but the quality and characteristics of the
individual players can make all the difference. Photo 9 shows the three midfield players
compact to squeeze play in one area of the pitch.
During the possession phase, Bayern Munich try to build up in an organised way. When they
win the ball in midfield or in the attacking third, they immediately look for obvious goalscoring
opportunities. If they don’t see any, then they play the ball back and start their build up as if
they have won the ball in their defensive third. Bayern Munich also use Neuer, their
goalkeeper, a lot during their phase of possession.They try to build up through a lot of quick,
short passing using Xabi Alonso as their point of reference in midfield. Bayern Munich’s wide
strikers are both very good at converting goalscoring opportunities. Therfore, when their
team is in possession, they generally squeeze themselves into the opponents’ heart of
defense and, together with Lewandowski, they create a strong central attacking trio. During
the possession/attacking phase, Bayern Munich leave only two players at the back. They
know that they can rely on their two central defensive players, Boateng and Hummels, and
therefore they don’t need that extra player to drop back. In this situation they are very strong

Alaba and Lahm are very good wing backs and as soon as needed, the team finds them
ready in the attacking phase of play. Both of them deliver very good crosses, especially for
Muller and Lewandowski but they can also dribble and take a goalscoring opportunity
themselves. Since Lahm and Kimmich can play the same roles, Kimmich often goes wide
and Lahm takes over his midfield duties. Alcantara and Kimmich are both able to make late
runs into the opponents’ defence and that often creates opportunities either for themselves or
for the other strikers as shown in Photo 1

When Robben decides to stay wide, Lahm will delay his forward run but as soon as Robben
receives the ball, he cuts in and Lahm overlaps. This creates different options since Robben
can either pass to Lahm for a good cross, he can deliver a cross himself or otherwise
Robben is very good in cutting inside and having a strong, precise left foot shot at goal.
Bayern Munich manage to do a good rotation not only on the flanks but they also manage to
involve most of the team in the rotation. Photo 12 clearly shows this rotation.

This system is very good and effective in the attacking phase but if the opponent is good in
counter attacking it might create problems for the back two and the central midfield players. It
can also create problems for the holding midfield player if the two central defenders decide
not to push up. In fact, Xabi Alonso was complaining to his teammates during the match
against Atletico since they were staying low and this left him a lot of space to cover. In this
situation he was struggling to cover up the space and then he was not effective when his
team gained possession.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Manchu » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:38 am

With Thiago apparently injured for the foreseeable future, I think we should drop James back into the central midfield as a regista. He's our player other than Thiago best able to possess and distribute the ball from a central midfield position, and playing with a double pivot with two physical central midfielders hasn't looked good in the past. The other sensible option is to move Kimmich temporarily into the midfield and deploy Rafinha as RB, but Kimmich has been so good as a RB that I would like to avoid this.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:35 pm

Have you guys noticed something?
Most coaches are playing with three at the back...
Chelsea Arsenal Man U Juve amongst others...

On the other hand Bayern Real Barca PSG Man C they still play with four

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby America USA » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:44 pm

Should give 442 a try at times



Our strongest possible eleven in the tried and tested 4231 is as follows.


CDM= Vidal or Martinez or Rudy
CAM= Thomas or James

Also, here’s how a back three could be played by Bayern.

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:15 am

In some matches, we can now play 4-4-2.

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby DerKaiser » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:17 am

MUTU wrote:In some matches, we can now play 4-4-2.



I guess we will see this when its 60´mins and still 0-0
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby prasun77 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:14 pm

Let's assume now that this is our starting XI..


Now..
Our bench will be:
Ulreich,James,Sule,Rudy,Vidal,Wagner,Ribery

So..
Bernat,Starke,Rafinha,Tolisso wouldn't even be making the bench now?
Our record signing won't be making the bench theoretically.. :shock: :shock:

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On a sidenote..where is that guy who was saying that we don't have enough "depth" or "Quality"?
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:27 pm

prasun77 wrote:Let's assume now that this is our starting XI..


Now..
Our bench will be:
Ulreich,James,Sule,Rudy,Vidal,Wagner,Ribery

So..
Bernat,Starke,Rafinha,Tolisso wouldn't even be making the bench now?
Our record signing won't be making the bench theoretically.. :shock: :shock:

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On a sidenote..where is that guy who was saying that we don't have enough "depth" or "Quality"?

I think the bench would need to have a fullback not just 1 central defender. That means even less space for Tolisso. Having said that, it's been over 5 years since we've had a clean bill of health.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby YlonenXabi » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:21 am

Well, if Tolisso cannot even make the bench that would be a very good sign.

Because that would mean we have finally a healthy squad :D
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Coman » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:56 pm

The best thing with Heynckes is that Müller finally play good football on the right side.
Neuer - Kimmich Boateng Hummels Alaba - James Thiago Goretzka - Robben Lewandowski Gnabry
Ulreich - Rafinha Martinez Süle Meier- Müller Tolisso Sanches - Coman Wagner Ribéry
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:21 pm

MUTU wrote:In some matches, we can now play 4-4-2.


This just occurred to me and I came here to post a similar lineup. I think with 2 strikers up front we might benefit more from having Coman instead of Robben. Coman+James on the wing plus two excellent strikers up front. It could work nicely.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:46 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:
MUTU wrote:In some matches, we can now play 4-4-2.


This just occurred to me and I came here to post a similar lineup. I think with 2 strikers up front we might benefit more from having Coman instead of Robben. Coman+James on the wing plus two excellent strikers up front. It could work nicely.
Müller on the RW! His crossing and cut-backs are great. Between his and Kimmich and James' crosses, Wagner and Lewy would have a great time.

Lewy-Wagner
James-Thiago(Vidal)-Javi(Vidal)-Müller
Alaba-Hummels-Boa-Kimmich
Neuer

Vidal is actually fantastic at arriving in the box to pick up rebounds and score from distance. Maybe this 442 would be a rare instance in which I would favor a Javi-Vidal MF.

Sounds pretty good. We would still have a huge surplus of CMs though :'D.

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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby 1911 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:49 pm

We could always play 4-4-2. That’s arguably the best formation for Muller playing in the middle next to Lewy. I’d rather see him there than Wagner.
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Re: 2017/18 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:52 pm

1911 wrote:We could always play 4-4-2. That’s arguably the best formation for Muller playing in the middle next to Lewy. I’d rather see him there than Wagner.
Yeah, the thing is James and Kimmich can put in exceptional crosses, and it just so happens to be that Wagner is a heading specialist. James and Kimmich feeding crosses to Lewy and Wagner would be a headers' party.

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