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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby #12 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:46 pm

Except Kimmich will play...
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Bentonomo » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:37 am

He is not nearly as stubborn as Pep.
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:41 am

IMO the losers are Renato and Xabi. The winners Coman and Costa. Kimmich is very adaptable and will probably fit in at RB. On form Robbery has to play and Müller always plays.

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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby JANCKER » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:41 am

I don't think he's stubborn at all... just put too much trust in Alonso.
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Coman » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:06 am

Robben on the system change for 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1:

I was pleased, because it was really fun. We have moved a lot lately, had many chances. One has seen that it works very well - both in the Bundesliga games against Mainz and Wolfsburg as well as in CL against Atletico. The system is well known to us, so we didn't play only under Pep, but also with Louis van Gaal and Jupp Heynckes. If we've a 2nd tip, a number ten on the court, this always works very well. This is not a topic for me, I'm a player, not a coach.




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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby bastos80 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:03 pm

Why is everyone losing their shit because we switched back to 4-3-3 for one game?
Not sure if we even did, because Thiago clearly acted further advanced than Vidal and Alonso.
That set-up looked like a way to rotate. Darmstadt should be beaten even in a 4-3-3 with Alonso and without Robben or Ribéry. I'm sure we'll go back to 4-2-3-1 against Leipzig again.
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Coman » Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:10 pm

Ancelotti seems to absolutly want the team to play 4-3-3 but it's useless, it never worked without Robben and Ribéry. And in every case its not as good as 4-2-3-1.

He should try to get some 3-1-4-2 to the team.

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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:48 pm

bastos80 wrote:Why is everyone losing their shit because we switched back to 4-3-3 for one game?
Not sure if we even did, because Thiago clearly acted further advanced than Vidal and Alonso.
That set-up looked like a way to rotate. Darmstadt should be beaten even in a 4-3-3 with Alonso and without Robben or Ribéry. I'm sure we'll go back to 4-2-3-1 against Darmstadt again.

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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby bastos80 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:15 pm

Coman wrote:Ancelotti seems to absolutly want the team to play 4-3-3 but it's useless, it never worked without Robben and Ribéry. And in every case its not as good as 4-2-3-1.

He should try to get some 3-1-4-2 to the team.

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He himself said that the team prefers 4-2-3-1. I thought everyone agreed that he's different from Pep? Doesn't seem like it. Half a season in and you guys are already discontent with him, lol. Should've seen that coming.
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby bastos80 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:17 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
bastos80 wrote:Why is everyone losing their shit because we switched back to 4-3-3 for one game?
Not sure if we even did, because Thiago clearly acted further advanced than Vidal and Alonso.
That set-up looked like a way to rotate. Darmstadt should be beaten even in a 4-3-3 with Alonso and without Robben or Ribéry. I'm sure we'll go back to 4-2-3-1 against Darmstadt again.

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Well, it seems not much has changed.

Thanks :coffee:
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Abc456 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:22 pm

bastos80 wrote:Why is everyone losing their shit because we switched back to 4-3-3 for one game?
Not sure if we even did, because Thiago clearly acted further advanced than Vidal and Alonso.
That set-up looked like a way to rotate. Darmstadt should be beaten even in a 4-3-3 with Alonso and without Robben or Ribéry. I'm sure we'll go back to 4-2-3-1 against Darmstadt again.

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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby bastos80 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:33 pm

Abc456 wrote:
bastos80 wrote:Why is everyone losing their shit because we switched back to 4-3-3 for one game?
Not sure if we even did, because Thiago clearly acted further advanced than Vidal and Alonso.
That set-up looked like a way to rotate. Darmstadt should be beaten even in a 4-3-3 with Alonso and without Robben or Ribéry. I'm sure we'll go back to 4-2-3-1 against Darmstadt again.

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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby JANCKER » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:14 am

Alonso had 2 good games in a row which will make the 4-3-3 a nearly permanent thing... Loser: Mueller - things don't look good for him, at least in the important games. I think Carlo will keep to play him on the right because the 3 men midfield is his thing.
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Achilles » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:10 am

JANCKER wrote:Alonso had 2 good games in a row which will make the 4-3-3 a nearly permanent thing... Loser: Mueller - things don't look good for him, at least in the important games. I think Carlo will keep to play him on the right because the 3 men midfield is his thing.

As we speak Muller has more caps than Alonso but treated badly because Carlo plays him in the wrong position. Muller:22 Alonso:18

I don't think that 4-3-3 is our main formation anymore, yesterday in the most important game of the season Ancelotti picked 4-2-3-1 that most of us wanted with a couple of adjustments, Thiago instead of Muller which worked perfectly since Thiago played brilliantly and Alonso.
We can keep playing like that while switching Thiago back & forth when is needed. It's not a bid deal!
Since Mainz game we played only once the 4-3-3 and that was against the weakest team in Bundesliga before the game vs RB Leipzig. I don't think we should panic. If the team is fit we can only get better!
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Re: 2016/17 Tactics & Formations Thread

Postby Coman » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:10 am

Yep. It seems we plays in 4-2-3-1 with Thiago as #10.

Problem is Ancelotti is killing Müller and Kimmich/Sanches for an old Alonso who could quickly be a problem in big games with his bad pass (because he is tired) and his slowness and bad protection of our CB's.

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