endrity wrote:JANCKER wrote:Even Mou gave his opinion to spice it up about Lahm's position. Pep needs to be supported, this skepticism goes in favour to opponents. J. Zanetti was a fullback like Lahm, but Mou played him in midfield, Mou apparently has some kind of amnesia.
For now the board seems to be supporting him in his decisions, that's what matters.
There are many key differences between the Lahm and Zanetti situation. Zanetti had been switching between fullback and defensive midfielder often throughout his career. Zanetti, unlike Lahm, had more than enough physicality to play as a defensive midfielder. And most importantly, in Chivu and Maicon Inter had two very good fullbacks and not enough great midfielders.
We instead have Rafina! And it needs to be said over and over again because people rationalise this too much: Rafinha is UTTERLY INCOMPETENT to play at the highest level and I am not exagerating. He's a worse version of Marcelo, the player Germany picked on during the 7-1 drubbing of Brazil - that is a player of a lot of energy and also good technique, but that is almost always out of position. Watch him carefully and you'll see he struggles to even stay in line with the rest of the defense.
Firefox1234 wrote:Lahm had great games as a RB but since the German NT doesnt have many good fullbacks to begin win Lahm's services were best suited their. Lahm played great as an RB and I don't know why people mind it so much. To be honest i was skeptical at first but after watch him in the world cup Lahm has shown he is more than capable of being a CM.
PunkCapitalist wrote:
The one good thing about Lahm in the midfield is that he can last longer in there than as a RB. But, assuming a 3-4-3, Lahm in the midfield and the unbenchable status of Thiago under Guardiola, Schweini would surely take the Bench. On the other hand, if we go with a 4-2-3-1 (with Lahm CM, Thiago CAM) then it's either Javi or Schweini benched. So no winning situation in either case. The 4-1-4-1 would be even worse, I'm sure under that formation, we would play Götze+Thiago as CAMs... All of this without even considering Alaba as a CM; if you add him, then I don't have a clue on how the spaniard intends to fit all of those players in midfield. Just Alaba + Lahm + Thiago in midfield at the same time would be dificult and mean Schweini benched, Højbjerg not getting chances, Javi not playing midfield, etc, etc, etc...
Also, Guardiola abused of rotation last season. Too much and no one gets to find their rhythm. I would hope he would rotate less this season, or at least have rotation system that means less moving between positions for the players.
But, I'm puzzled at how you say Lahm is lost as a RB. He has been consistently been more of an attacking thread in the RB, both for Bayern and Germany.
pyrasur wrote:I totally agree with you that Lahm is a great right back. I never said he is lost as a right back bit I feel having him as the 10/10 right back is not as great for the team as he would be as a 9/10 midfielder. You don't get his flanking movement but as a distributor if the ball I feel he is much better than Javi, only for example. They bring different talents to midfield and I am a fan of getting Javi and Schweini in midfield. If you forced me to choose between Martinez and Lahm in midfield, I would say there is a case for Lahm there even if our backup right backs aren't as world class. But if he ends up played as RB it would make space for Javi and Schweini together so I wouldn't complain.
I don't understand why a few people act as if players are stuck in certain roles and they can't move. Alaba was a midfielder but Heynckes turned him into a great left back. Schweini was a winger and made into a CM. Thierry Henry was considered a wide forward before he was made one of the greatest strikers in the world. Somebody found Messi on the wing and made him the best player in the world as a false nine. I get that Lahm is the best fullback so I see the loss of quality, but if our midfield has the injury pattern we had last year I'd rather see Lahm fill in than someone unproven.
If the board decide Guardiola isn't doing the job, he'll be let go and great because the coach is here to make this group of players the best team in the world. Obviously Pep doesn't have the same set of players he had in Barcelona and has to work with what he has here. At the same time, the board put Pep here to implement Pep's ideas so until Bayern part ways with him, he's going to do his job and bring his ideas. I don't know why we pay him if the board can run things better.
PunkCapitalist wrote:I agree to a great extend with you. Lahm is probably the best player we have for the midfield in the system Guardiola wants to implement. And he sure is great there too. But the thing is, Guardiola's system doesn't play to our squad's strengths. The best thing we had before he took over was our double wings: Alaba+Ribery & Lahm+Müller/Robben. Instead of exploiting that, he choose to basically abandon wing-play and go for a more centrally-centric style. In a system which employed wings better, Lahm's contribution would be far greater as a RB.
Firefox1234 wrote:Lahm had great games as a RB but since the German NT doesnt have many good fullbacks to begin win Lahm's services were best suited their. Lahm played great as an RB and I don't know why people mind it so much. To be honest i was skeptical at first but after watch him in the world cup Lahm has shown he is more than capable of being a CM.
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