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Re: Italian football

Postby MUTU » Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:22 pm

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MUTU wrote:What you don't understand with Ronaldo is that he is saving up so much money because he is paying 100k on his foreign income, which is several millions a year. Also the highest tax rate is still lower than Germany, and that's excluding the church tax.

yes but that's something personal this doesn't affect juventus wages at all

Of course it does. If Bayern had bought Ronaldo instead of Juve and Ronaldo wanted the same kind of money 'in his pocket', Bayern would have needed to pay much, much, much, much more millions of euros in gross salary to Ronaldo. Considering all the businesses that Ronaldo has, as well as image rights, we're probably talking hundreds of millions of euros a season.
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Re: Italian football

Postby Valerio » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:24 pm

MUTU wrote:
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MUTU wrote:What you don't understand with Ronaldo is that he is saving up so much money because he is paying 100k on his foreign income, which is several millions a year. Also the highest tax rate is still lower than Germany, and that's excluding the church tax.

yes but that's something personal this doesn't affect juventus wages at all

Of course it does. If Bayern had bought Ronaldo instead of Juve and Ronaldo wanted the same kind of money 'in his pocket', Bayern would have needed to pay much, much, much, much more millions of euros in gross salary to Ronaldo. Considering all the businesses that Ronaldo has, as well as image rights, we're probably talking hundreds of millions of euros a season.

Then why Messi isn't going to Inter? he would gain so much money then XD
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Re: Italian football

Postby MUTU » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:54 pm

Because Messi has far less foreign income and also Inter would never afford Barcelona's ask. Ronaldo is the first footballer to become a billionaire.
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Re: Italian football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:18 pm

#12 wrote:I disagree... We produced nothing in those matches albeit were quite stable defensively... Nonetheless the claim stands (with the exception for this year): you want to win this competition? Start by winning your home games!


Well... in 2017 we were eliminated on extra time with 3 out of 4 goals conceded scored by Ronaldo. Adding Ronaldo alone to a team that made it to extra time would have been enough, but taking away the player who scored almost all the goals against as well!? We’d definitely have made it past Real at least.

I do agree with your last point though.
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Re: Italian football

Postby Valerio » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:44 am

MUTU wrote:Because Messi has far less foreign income and also Inter would never afford Barcelona's ask. Ronaldo is the first footballer to become a billionaire.

I doubt Messi doesn't have a big income outside of football with Sponsors and so on....
I heard that Ronaldo was making like 100m/year without wages from his club so yeah going to Italy and paying 100k for himself and 25k for each family member was a huge plus while making his decision
But so do Messi... both had problems with Spain Fisco maybe not earning as much as Ronaldo but I bet a very high sum

if he is interested in money Inter is def the best option.
Also the Inter story says that Messi has a release clause of 1euro else it's impossible to even think about it.
But man if Inter really doesn't have to pay Barcellona they could offer Messi 50m NET wages and it would cost much less than Ronaldo :D
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Re: Italian football

Postby #12 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:01 pm

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#12 wrote:I disagree... We produced nothing in those matches albeit were quite stable defensively... Nonetheless the claim stands (with the exception for this year): you want to win this competition? Start by winning your home games!


Well... in 2017 we were eliminated on extra time with 3 out of 4 goals conceded scored by Ronaldo. Adding Ronaldo alone to a team that made it to extra time would have been enough, but taking away the player who scored almost all the goals against as well!? We’d definitely have made it past Real at least.

I do agree with your last point though.
Okay I didn't consider they’d miss those three goals...
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Re: Italian football

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:36 pm

Valerio wrote:
MUTU wrote:Because Messi has far less foreign income and also Inter would never afford Barcelona's ask. Ronaldo is the first footballer to become a billionaire.

I doubt Messi doesn't have a big income outside of football with Sponsors and so on....
I heard that Ronaldo was making like 100m/year without wages from his club so yeah going to Italy and paying 100k for himself and 25k for each family member was a huge plus while making his decision
But so do Messi... both had problems with Spain Fisco maybe not earning as much as Ronaldo but I bet a very high sum

if he is interested in money Inter is def the best option.
Also the Inter story says that Messi has a release clause of 1euro else it's impossible to even think about it.
But man if Inter really doesn't have to pay Barcellona they could offer Messi 50m NET wages and it would cost much less than Ronaldo :D

The more money you get from foreign entities, the more it makes sense to move to Italy. But it is clear that Ronaldo is well ahead of Messi in this regard, given he owns multiple companies which are doing well, and he is the only billionaire footballer in the world.
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Re: Italian football

Postby aterford » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:08 pm

Don't forget also that Messi has pretty much been a Barca player for his whole career and seems to generally want to make things work out to stay there. And Barca has been perfectly happy to continue paying what he asks in order to keep him.

On the other hand I think most agree that a big factor in Ronaldo leaving - outside the money - was just that he was feeling disrespected and almost pushed-out of Madrid. So I am sure Ronaldo was happy to make the extra cash, but I think in large part he was ready to leave Madrid as he no longer felt respected/valued there and was not getting along with Perez IIRC. And of course, as it relates to taxes, don't forget he had a big tax fraud case in Spain at the time he left, too. And on top of that, Spain I believe still has the "Beckham law" which provides players like Ronaldo a tax advantage (I think the cap is 23%) for I wanna say six years. So for the last ~3 years he was in Spain his tax rate would've jumped up quite considerably, too.

So the short of it: the reason Ronaldo left and Messi hasn't is probably because Messi just hasn't really wanted to leave so much. Barca bend over backwards to keep him happy and Madrid were seemingly at the end of their rope in that regard with Ronaldo, so he left.

Also, might be mistaken here, but my understanding was that it's true that the new tax law took effect in January 2020 but NOT that it would only impact players signed after that point. There is of course a minimum two-year commitment for a player to be eligible, but for example the reading of the act makes it sound more like if you signed in summer 2019 you'd be taxed at the "old" rate for ~6mo, until Jan 2020 when you'd then be taxed at that new lower rate due to the new tax act coming into effect. But I don't see any indication written that would suggest if you are signed before Jan 2020 that your entire contract would be taxed at the old rate, rather just would be until the new law took effect, provided you met all other criteria...
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Re: Italian football

Postby r10 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:31 pm

#12 wrote:Not with Ancelotti either...
Don't blame Ancelotti, as Carlo has nothing to do with pathetic Vidal who put Bayern to the grave vs Real (2x).
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Re: Italian football

Postby IsiahRashad » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:09 am

Salihamidžić: “Correct. Dayot Upamecano will play for FC Bayern for the next five years."
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Re: Italian football

Postby Jorge » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:34 pm

I thought all along that he was leaving Schalke for either Hertha Berlin or Southhampton but it seems that Pirlo is a fan of him:

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Re: Italian football

Postby Bazi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:07 pm

Jorge wrote:I thought all along that he was leaving Schalke for either Hertha Berlin or Southhampton but it seems that Pirlo is a fan of him:

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He's got the work-rate but I wonder if his limitations on the ball will eventually stop him from succeeding at Juve. Best of luck to him.
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Re: Italian football

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:48 pm

I am afraid that this time both Lazio and Atalanta won't be having a great season, especially the former.

I will bet on Juve Inter Milan and most probably Napoli for the top four places.

Atalanta Roma and Lazio may give some hard time to the 4th placed team but that's it...

It seems that Milan are getting back in business...
Probably Juve will be less strong this time round. I think that Inter will run with the league unchallenged
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Re: Italian football

Postby FcBayernX » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:22 pm

ramsej84 wrote:I am afraid that this time both Lazio and Atalanta won't be having a great season, especially the former.

I will bet on Juve Inter Milan and most probably Napoli for the top four places.

Atalanta Roma and Lazio may give some hard time to the 4th placed team but that's it...

It seems that Milan are getting back in business...
Probably Juve will be less strong this time round. I think that Inter will run with the league unchallenged
Well I think it's about time we see a new Serie A winner. Inter should be favorites in my opinion.

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Re: Italian football

Postby Valerio » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:19 pm

Juventus has a problem of old and unneed players that we want to get rid off but they refuse to go...
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