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Re: Italian football

Postby MUTU » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:00 am

Valerio wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:but you can't deny that you get some extra help...

like anyone else
Look what other teams from Buli says about Bayern :D

Easy, you can look at https://www.wahretabelle.de

Check the history, see how many times Bayern have been robbed of Bundesliga titles due to referee mistakes, and see if you find times when Bayern won a title when they shouldn't have.

Last 5 seasons:
2016/17: Bayern should have finished with a +20 point advantage. Instead they finished with +16
2015/16: Bayern should have finished with a +12 point advantage. Instead they finished with +10
2014/15: Bayern should have finished with a +8 point advantage. Instead they finished with +10
2013/14: Bayern should have finished with a +21 point advantage. Instead they finished with +19
2012/13: Bayern should have finished with a +23 point advantage. Instead they finished with +25

Previous seasons:
2011/12: Bayern rightfully finished 2nd
2010/11: Bayern should have finished 2nd but ended up in 3rd place.
2009/10: Bayern rightfully won the league
2008/09: Bayern should have won the league but finished 2nd.
2007/08: Bayern rightfully won the league

Older seasons (https://www.wahretabelle.de/statistik/w ... lehistorie):
2006/07: Bayern should have finished 3rd and qualified for CL but ended up 4th
2003/04: Bayern should have won the league, but finished 2nd
2001/02: Bayern should have won the league, but finished 3rd
2000/01: Bayern should have finished 3rd but won the league :P
1997/98: Bayern should have won the league but finished 2nd
1995/96: Bayern should have finished 3rd but finished 2nd

I think this categorically proves that in general referees have worked AGAINST Bayern not in favour.
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Re: Italian football

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:00 am

but there is no consistency about that... I don't hide the fact that some refs do favor us , but the majority don't... even the DFL doesn't treat us with gloves as other associations do to their elite teams.
Eg when we have a champs league match coming up they don't make us play on a Fri like what they do in Italy and Spain.
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Re: Italian football

Postby MUTU » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:05 am

MUTU wrote:
Valerio wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:but you can't deny that you get some extra help...

like anyone else
Look what other teams from Buli says about Bayern :D

Easy, you can look at https://www.wahretabelle.de

Check the history, see how many times Bayern have been robbed of Bundesliga titles due to referee mistakes, and see if you find times when Bayern won a title when they shouldn't have.

Last 5 seasons:
2016/17: Bayern should have finished with a +20 point advantage. Instead they finished with +16
2015/16: Bayern should have finished with a +12 point advantage. Instead they finished with +10
2014/15: Bayern should have finished with a +8 point advantage. Instead they finished with +10
2013/14: Bayern should have finished with a +21 point advantage. Instead they finished with +19
2012/13: Bayern should have finished with a +23 point advantage. Instead they finished with +25

Previous seasons:
2011/12: Bayern rightfully finished 2nd
2010/11: Bayern should have finished 2nd but ended up in 3rd place.
2009/10: Bayern rightfully won the league
2008/09: Bayern should have won the league but finished 2nd.
2007/08: Bayern rightfully won the league

Older seasons (https://www.wahretabelle.de/statistik/w ... lehistorie):
2006/07: Bayern should have finished 3rd and qualified for CL but ended up 4th
2003/04: Bayern should have won the league, but finished 2nd
2001/02: Bayern should have won the league, but finished 3rd
2000/01: Bayern should have finished 3rd but won the league :P
1997/98: Bayern should have won the league but finished 2nd
1995/96: Bayern should have finished 3rd but finished 2nd

I think this categorically proves that in general referees have worked AGAINST Bayern not in favour.

TL;DR version. Since Wahretabelle opened up for the 1995/96 season, Bayern should have been awarded 4 extra league titles (2008/09, 2003/04, 2001/02, 1997/98), been stripped of one (2000/01) and qualified for the CL in one occasion instead of the UEFA Cup (2006/07).

If/when other clubs complain about Bayern and referees, it is completely stemming from jealousy.

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Re: Italian football

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:52 pm

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Re: Italian football

Postby Valerio » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:52 pm

But still people claim silly shit :D


That's the table of the past 6years



2011/12
Juventus 84
Milan 80
Udinese 64

2012/13
Juventus 87
Napoli 78
Milan 72

2013/14
Juventus 102
Roma 85
Napoli 78

2014/15
Juventus 87
Roma 70
Lazio 69

2015/16
Juventus 91
Napoli 82
Roma 80

2016/17
Juventus 91
Roma 87
Napoli 86


And in 2016/17 we let the last game playing with subs for the CL final (it worked really well I must say)
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Re: Italian football

Postby MUTU » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:04 pm

Valerio wrote:But still people claim silly shit :D

Yes. Fans of Italian teams are jealous of Juventus in the same way that fans of German teams are jealous of Bayern. Out of pure jealousy, they talk more when something happens that favours Juventus/Bayern. However, the similarities stop here. While it can be statistically proven that referees do NOT help Bayern (in fact, from what I showed you before, it's the complete opposite), you can't really say the same for Juventus. So yes, I do think referees help Juventus, but not to the extent that fans of other Italian clubs try to portray it.
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Re: Italian football

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:34 pm

MUTU wrote:
Valerio wrote:But still people claim silly shit :D

Yes. Fans of Italian teams are jealous of Juventus in the same way that fans of German teams are jealous of Bayern. Out of pure jealousy, they talk more when something happens that favours Juventus/Bayern. However, the similarities stop here. While it can be statistically proven that referees do NOT help Bayern (in fact, from what I showed you before, it's the complete opposite), you can't really say the same for Juventus. So yes, I do think referees help Juventus, but not to the extent that fans of other Italian clubs try to portray it.
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Re: Italian football

Postby Bayernbazi » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:57 pm

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Re: Italian football

Postby #12 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:07 pm

It should be noted though that WahreTabelle does not factor in red cards and automatically counts every penalty as a 100% goal...
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Re: Italian football

Postby MUTU » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:40 pm

#12 wrote:It should be noted though that WahreTabelle does not factor in red cards and automatically counts every penalty as a 100% goal...
Yes but that works both ways. Considering we always have top goalkeepers I would dare say we should actually be disadvantaged by this since we probably were more likely to score a Bundesliga penalty than for someone to score a Bundesliga penalty against us.
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Re: Italian football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:48 pm

MUTU wrote:we probably were more likely to score a Bundesliga penalty

Except for the "last 5 seasons" section :oops:
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Re: Italian football

Postby #12 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:24 pm

Not specifically talking about Bayern - just that their method is debatable...
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Re: Italian football

Postby Valerio » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:57 pm

La Juventus ha messo le mani su Dennis Praet, talento della Sampdoria. Come riportato dal Corriere dello Sport, il club bianconero ha chiuso l’affare battendo la concorrenza dell’Inter che pure lo seguiva da tempo. Decisiva la volontà del calciatore, così come l’incontro avvenuto mercoledì sera a Milano. La clausola rescissoria del calciatore è di 25 milioni di euro, ma è possibile che la Juventus abbia ottenuto uno sconto mettendo sul piatto qualche contropartita tecnica. Il 23enne belga potrebbe restare alla Samp in prestito.


Why would we need Praet....
When he came to Italy 2years ago I thought he would be another talent but he turned out to be average and I don't understand why we wasted 25m on this guy.
Specially when Torrerira has a simil release clause.

I'm not for wasting money on any CM unless it's Milinkovic Savic.

Plus next summer Juventus will lose Asamoah/Lichsteiner for free and Alex Sandro
Weird move from Marotta.

While I can understand getting Emre Can for free with Khedira-Sturaro leaving what's the point of Praet?
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Re: Italian football

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:40 am

Chievo have themselves to blame... https://www.timesofmalta.com/mobile/art ... ium=widget

Have they ?

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Re: Italian football

Postby Valerio » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:05 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Chievo have themselves to blame... https://www.timesofmalta.com/mobile/art ... ium=widget

Have they ?

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plain stupid we were playing so bad.
In a 11vs11 they could have tied the game
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