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#12 wrote:

FCBayernMunchen wrote:

aterford wrote:They're looking vulnerable lately, at least.

Yes they are. We are currently the best team in Europe. Hopefully the season keeps going this way for everyone, including us.

No, we’re not... But our chances are better than expected, even with a hole-y squad...

I said currently. Who exactly is better than us right now? Real Madrid with 1 win in their last 5 games? Man City dropping points left right and centre (although they are on the back of two good wins)? Liverpool who have suddenly started losing or really struggling and have been doing so for a month? Juventus in their worst season in some time with 2 wins in 5 games?

We are a different team since Flick took over. He lost two matches right at the beginning after the Kovac disaster but since then we have won every match in all competitions except for a 0-0 vs the second best team in Germany (who also beat last season’s CL finalists away). Except for Paderborn we won all of them very comfortably. We have a team that hasn’t scored as many goals since Pep. We have the best CL record of any team EVER by this stage in the CL.

Our squad is hole-y, like you said, and we’re not the best on paper, but at the moment, we almost certainly are. Will the season keep going this way for wveryo? Unlikely, but perhaps all we need is for it to keep going this way for us.

FCBayernMunchen wrote:

#12 wrote:

FCBayernMunchen wrote:[quote="aterford"]They're looking vulnerable lately, at least.

Yes they are. We are currently the best team in Europe. Hopefully the season keeps going this way for everyone, including us.

No, we’re not... But our chances are better than expected, even with a hole-y squad...

I said currently. Who exactly is better than us right now? Real Madrid with 1 win in their last 5 games? Man City dropping points left right and centre (although they are on the back of two good wins)? Liverpool who have suddenly started losing or really struggling and have been doing so for a month? Juventus in their worst season in some time with 2 wins in 5 games?

We are a different team since Flick took over. He lost two matches right at the beginning after the Kovac disaster but since then we have won every match in all competitions except for a 0-0 vs the second best team in Germany (who also beat last season’s CL finalists away). Except for Paderborn we won all of them very comfortably. We have a team that hasn’t scored as many goals since Pep. We have the best CL record of any team EVER by this stage in the CL.

Our squad is hole-y, like you said, and we’re not the best on paper, but at the moment, we almost certainly are. Will the season keep going this way for wveryo? Unlikely, but perhaps all we need is for it to keep going this way for us.[/quote]Man City won deservedly at Madrid, a feat we managed to achieve ONCE EVER...
Liverpool have a very small poor streak that‘ll end very soon... You mentioned Leipzig (and forgot our last Hoffenheim game for example) who also give us A LOT of trouble... Still think we need insane luck...

You mean winning or deserving to win? Because we deserved to win several times lately. You know damn right why we didn't, no need to repeat what was said over a hundred times before.

I did overlook the Hoffenheim game but tbh that was a case of sleeping and losing control of the game. We were 4-1 up with 10 minutes to go. Highly doubt that kind of thing would happen in the CL.

I did not watch the City-Real game except for the last 15 minutes so won’t comment too much. I’ve seen lots of people say they were much better. They still only managed to turn it around with a red card and a penalty in the last 10 minutes. Had we done that you would be going about how we needed luck and it doesn’t matter how dominant we were during the game because we missed countless chances. We deserved to win in Madrid several times, just didn’t because of highly controversial refereeing which you still deny for some reason.

We also shouldn’t ignore the fact that Real Madrid went into the game in terrible form. So when we score 7 away against last season’s CL finalists we get told they’re just terrible this season, which is true, but when a team beats the former best team in the world away while they are also in bad form, that’s somehow a magnificent achievement. Even if they were on form, Real Madrid is nowhere near as strong as they were in our last 3 encounters with them. It is like saying Frankfurt won convincingly vs Kovac’s Bayern which Barca failed to do in 2013.

Liverpool have been poor all month, even in the games they won. In any case what happens in the future is irrelevant to who is the best at this point in time, and it’s not even a given Liverpool will make it to the QFs in the first place (though I believe they will). They have shown themselves to be beatable. If we were to play against them with today’s form (with Lewandowski available, as he should be if we do face them), I am certain we would win.

MUTU wrote:You mean winning or deserving to win? Because we deserved to win several times lately. You know damn right why we didn't, no need to repeat what was said over a hundred times before.

Yeah I know... I just think YOU would still blame it all on the ref...
And definitely not several times...

FCBayernMunchen wrote:I did overlook the Hoffenheim game but tbh that was a case of sleeping and losing control of the game. We were 4-1 up with 10 minutes to go. Highly doubt that kind of thing would happen in the CL.

I did not watch the City-Real game except for the last 15 minutes so won’t comment too much. I’ve seen lots of people say they were much better. They still only managed to turn it around with a red card and a penalty in the last 10 minutes. Had we done that you would be going about how we needed luck and it doesn’t matter how dominant we were during the game because we missed countless chances. We deserved to win in Madrid several times, just didn’t because of highly controversial refereeing which you still deny for some reason.

We also shouldn’t ignore the fact that Real Madrid went into the game in terrible form. So when we score 7 away against last season’s CL finalists we get told they’re just terrible this season, which is true, but when a team beats the former best team in the world away while they are also in bad form, that’s somehow a magnificent achievement. Even if they were on form, Real Madrid is nowhere near as strong as they were in our last 3 encounters with them. It is like saying Frankfurt won convincingly vs Kovac’s Bayern which Barca failed to do in 2013.

Liverpool have been poor all month, even in the games they won. In any case what happens in the future is irrelevant to who is the best at this point in time, and it’s not even a given Liverpool will make it to the QFs in the first place (though I believe they will). They have shown themselves to be beatable. If we were to play against them with today’s form (with Lewandowski available, as he should be if we do face them), I am certain we would win.

I‘m not denying refereeing (entirely), I just think that‘s not the reason we lost
And the majority of Germany-based Bayern fans do from what I can tell...

It certainly is in Carlo’s year (when we won by the exact same scoreline as City in regular time).

FCBayernMunchen wrote:It certainly is in Carlo’s year (when we won by the exact same scoreline as City in regular time).

A game we were so shit in it hurts, and I still think the 1-2 was irregular but yeah, that’s one I could somehow agree... Don’t think we actually deserved to win that though...

I give up.

FCBayernMunchen wrote:I give up.

Do you really think we played a good match in that one? We got to goals because they forgot scoring... Kinda like Leverkusen here a few months ago

PunkCapitalist wrote:We didn't deserve winning any of our Madrid ties. Our attack was completely sterile. We were lucky to score the goals we did, and they were unlucky not to score more.

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I dunno what the controversy is. Nobody's saying we're far and away the best team in the world over the course of the whole season nor that we will be by the end of the season...

I don't think it's that unreasonable to say though: if we played Liverpool tomorrow with a fit Lewandowski (hypothetically, of course)...I don't think it's a stretch to say that we'd be favorites in that match.

no chance of treble for liverpool now.