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Re: English football

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:21 pm

#12 wrote: a great coach makes the best of the players he has and adds 1-3 to improve his squad...

Wait this doesn't make sense. So is a coach expected to achieve something with any 8 players no matter how shit they are as long as there are 3 players that the coach wants?

Let me put it this way - before our treble, our past coaches have signed Robben and Ribery for us, so Jupp only had to make, say three major signings: Neuer, Javi and Mandzukic (on top of Dante, Boateng, Rafinha, Shaqiri, etc...). If Robben and Ribery weren't in Bayern then, and Jupp had to also sign them in 2011 or 2012 because they were needed to win our treble, would that make him a less great coach? Or would he have been expected to "get the best out of" Usami and Pranjic? Seriously, doesn't make sense man...
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Re: English football

Postby Lukas » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:39 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:Just wondering.... who's the best coach in the world for you?


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Re: English football

Postby #12 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:48 pm

Dumbledore7 wrote:
#12 wrote: a great coach makes the best of the players he has and adds 1-3 to improve his squad...

Wait this doesn't make sense. So is a coach expected to achieve something with any 8 players no matter how shit they are as long as there are 3 players that the coach wants?

Let me put it this way - before our treble, our past coaches have signed Robben and Ribery for us, so Jupp only had to make, say three major signings: Neuer, Javi and Mandzukic (on top of Dante, Boateng, Rafinha, Shaqiri, etc...). If Robben and Ribery weren't in Bayern then, and Jupp had to also sign them in 2011 or 2012 because they were needed to win our treble, would that make him a less great coach? Or would he have been expected to "get the best out of" Usami and Pranjic? Seriously, doesn't make sense man...


Does for me - anyone can have - relative - success if he buys it... A great coach is able to achieve something without spending more than what it takes to nurture Africa for a year...
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Re: English football

Postby Dumbledore7 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:50 pm

What if the coach doesn't have a team? Also you ought to answer my question there - would Jupp have been a less great coach in that scenario?
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Re: English football

Postby #12 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:48 pm

Jupp BECAME a great coach... He was constantly learning, nit constantly buying
Your scenario is nonsense, cause you're assuming there's nothing there... They already had a few quality players... He brought in a whole squad for crying out loud... For hundreds of millions... Jupp brought Javi, Mandzukic and Dante if you will...

Also, finishing third in a shit league DEFINITELY would've made Jupp a less great coach
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Re: English football

Postby nm462272 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:10 pm

It's about exceeding expectations with the squad you have. Pep hasn't done that at ManCity... and buying so many players for such high prices, that won't prove he's a good coach in the end... if they do win the league, it's because they bought it... but if they lose, well...
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Re: English football

Postby YlonenXabi » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:10 am

Jupp bought Neuer, Boateng, Rafinha and went trophyless

Then he added Javi, Mandzukic, Dante and Shaqiri

And he had one of the best Bayern generations at their peak (Ribery, Robben, Lahm, Schweinsteiger)

City asked Pep to win trophies and gave him a huge transfer budget, so he is rebuilding their team. When he was with us, he didn't spend that much. He just adapted to our philosophy
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Re: English football

Postby YlonenXabi » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:13 am

Ancelotti is one of the best coaches in the business too and we've just had a disappointing season

Regarding Simeone and Klopp being the best coaches in the world... I guess that you will have that opinion until they coach us and fail. Just like Ancelotti or Favre were considered our saviours when Pep was here
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Re: English football

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:25 am

YlonenXabi wrote:Ancelotti is one of the best coaches in the business too and we've just had a disappointing season

Regarding Simeone and Klopp being the best coaches in the world... I guess that you will have that opinion until they coach us and fail. Just like Ancelotti or Favre were considered our saviours when Pep was here


I consider Carlo as world class coach... but since he is our coach I did not pick him as not to be biased.
I surely don't rate in that category both Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola.

Forgot Antonio Conte, I dislike his personality but I believe that he is on of the best as well...
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Re: English football

Postby America USA » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:32 pm

City destroyed Madrid last night. Although a friendly it was quite a number Pep did on Zidane!
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Re: English football

Postby IsiahRashad » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:27 am

Arsene Wenger is the greatest coach of all time.

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Re: English football

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:02 am

Several British tabloid newspapers wrongly claimed that Manchester United striker Romelu Lukaku was unable to collect his recent man-of-the-match prize because he’s a devout Muslim.
The Daily Mail and the Mirror published stories on their respective websites which wrongly stated that the Belgian striker couldn’t pose beside his prize of an alcoholic beverage from sponsors Heineken due to religious beliefs after his side’s game with Manchester City.

Lukaku is, in fact, a devout Christian and fans of the player will have noticed that he regularly makes the sign of the cross while celebrating on the pitch. [source]


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Re: English football

Postby Fénix » Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:10 am

Hahahaha, I remember very well the days when you'd type a name of any European and Latin American football players who come from the countries whose heritage and majority are Catholic and see muslim near their names in the Google search. :lol:
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Re: English football

Postby DerKaiser » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:44 am

FA will ban divers for two matches [source]
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Re: English football

Postby MUTU » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:20 pm

DerKaiser wrote:
FA will ban divers for two matches [source]

I have mixed feelings about this, for two reasons. First of all, there's a thin line between a dive and a fall. When does an incident become a 100% dive and when do they rule that the player lost his balance? Or who will judge whether or not the contact was accentuated?

The second issue is that we will have an official admittance that a player cheated, and while the player will be punished retrospectively (and indirectly the club who would be forced to be without his services for two matches), the club (and player, in the case of a red card) that were the victim in the situation during the actual match will still not get re-compensated. If they wanted to be serious about stamping out cheating, the victim in the situation would get a walkover win.
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