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Call it uncompetitiveness because Bayern is strong... why didn't you call the Spanish league uncompetitive when Barca or Real dominated? Or the English when MUFC dominated?
There are teams in every domestic league that are too strong for a period of time, then what is expected from that team? To win the CL, simple as that.
I tip Barca to defend the CL title this year... maybe Enrique* can do what Pep couldn't.

* the not good enough manager for Roma

Well, maybe his mission was to make Barca overtake us in number of titles won in the first place?

Do you see anyone calling la Liga competitive? Are you really gonna act like the Premier League is uncompetitive? I swear to God Jancker it drives me up the wall that you plant words in my mouth or change the point of the argument so you can continue to get in cheap shots at Guardiola. We are talking about why foreign fans are attracted to the Premier League vice the Bundesliga dude! Sorry!

Why? Because BuLi lacks hype, the Italian league has more hype than BuLi.
You mentioned Neverkusen, it's because of them that Germany lacks foreign fans, I don't know what are they doing in the first league, let alone in the CL... they're a disgrace for Germany and if I was the DFB president I'd relegate them in the 2nd league without further explanation.
You're giving cheap shots to the entire league because of Pep, that's why...
Money plays a big role, we don't lag behind the English league that much, taking in consideration how much money they spend.
Players leaving BuLi for other leagues of Europe is another problem, that also has to do with money so that's why we can't attract too many foreigners to follow BuLi.
The "English" PL is staying a step ahead of us thanks to the oil money injected there... good for them.

I think parasur is making valid points here... But the thing is: most money the PL generates in broadcasting contracts is still coming out of GB! And they have like 20m less population than Germany... I still think German nature, quirks, and habits play a huge role... We are not the most enthusiastic folk when it comes to spending money (some people say wrt to other stuff as well )... And there'S the "Sportschau", an institution securing game recaps only one hour after the games have ended... And for many people that's enough, so Sky is just a nice to have rather than a must... Sportschau is partly the reason stadiums are full and enthusiasm is outstanding - but it's also the reason broadcsting grossing is relatively low... One of the reasons, among others (like GB having more than one real pay tv provider, the public service broadcasting and so on...)
Competitiveness might play a role for some fans to refrain from subscribing to sky - but it's not the only or the main reason IMHO - Bayern games are still - by far - the most-watched games (I can provide a source if needed...)...

Which are the teams from England that attract most fans? Oil clubs... no oil clubs no glory.
Liverpool doesn't attract that many fans lately, do they? Maybe they do more than most BuLi teams because of their history and the 2005 CL.
Kim Jong-un is a fan of Rooney and MUFC.
But I still have to disagree on the competitiveness, Arsenal won the league without a single defeat, nobody called the league uncompetitive.

#12 wrote:I think parasur is making valid points here... But the thing is: most money the PL generates in broadcasting contracts is still coming out of GB! And they have like 20m less population than Germany... I still think German nature, quirks, and habits play a huge role... We are not the most enthusiastic folk when it comes to spending money (some people say wrt to other stuff as well )... And there'S the "Sportschau", an institution securing game recaps only one hour after the games have ended... And for many people that's enough, so Sky is just a nice to have rather than a must... Sportschau is partly the reason stadiums are full and enthusiasm is outstanding - but it's also the reason broadcsting grossing is relatively low... One of the reasons, among others (like GB having more than one real pay tv provider, the public service broadcasting and so on...)
Competitiveness might play a role for some fans to refrain from subscribing to sky - but it's not the only or the main reason IMHO - Bayern games are still - by far - the most-watched games (I can provide a source if needed...)...

I'm sorry, I don't understand how that relates to the popularity of the league outside of Germany. I can understand why a lot of Germans would bandwagon on Bayern, though I've always been impressed by the number of Germans who remain fans of their respective hometown clubs.

In my opinion, the best case for the Bundesliga against any other league for most foreigners is the national team (either the brand of football or some weird fascination with the country). You'll get the occasional fan attracted to the fan atmosphere in Germany or the type of football Dormund, Bayern, or Gladbach play. But still way easier to watch in English an actual title race.

pyrasur wrote:

#12 wrote:I think parasur is making valid points here... But the thing is: most money the PL generates in broadcasting contracts is still coming out of GB! And they have like 20m less population than Germany... I still think German nature, quirks, and habits play a huge role... We are not the most enthusiastic folk when it comes to spending money (some people say wrt to other stuff as well )... And there'S the "Sportschau", an institution securing game recaps only one hour after the games have ended... And for many people that's enough, so Sky is just a nice to have rather than a must... Sportschau is partly the reason stadiums are full and enthusiasm is outstanding - but it's also the reason broadcsting grossing is relatively low... One of the reasons, among others (like GB having more than one real pay tv provider, the public service broadcasting and so on...)
Competitiveness might play a role for some fans to refrain from subscribing to sky - but it's not the only or the main reason IMHO - Bayern games are still - by far - the most-watched games (I can provide a source if needed...)...

I'm sorry, I don't understand how that relates to the popularity of the league outside of Germany. I can understand why a lot of Germans would bandwagon on Bayern, though I've always been impressed by the number of Germans who remain fans of their respective hometown clubs.

In my opinion, the best case for the Bundesliga against any other league for most foreigners is the national team (either the brand of football or some weird fascination with the country). You'll get the occasional fan attracted to the fan atmosphere in Germany or the type of football Dormund, Bayern, or Gladbach play. But still way easier to watch in English an actual title race.

What title race?

Last year it was Chelsea, this year it's Man City. We knew the winner in August in 2014, we knew it in August 2015 too. And surprise, it's the team that spent the most money

Thank God Stevie slipped in 2014 and made the whole thing very interesting.

The good old days of the big four challenging for the title till the last matchday are gone. In the best case, it's between two teams

Then maybe they're attracted to the fact the league has a different winner every year. Who knows? You must have made a lot of money in Vegas betting on the Premier League

If Bayern fails to win the CL, it goes in favor to BuLi uncompetitiveness talk.
From our last game in the CL, they'll say:
Forever 4th place in PL > Forever 1st place in BuLi

The problem with English clubs is not who owns those teams but rather who runs them. They will keep making life on the rest of the leagues miserable with those sky high offers and for Bayern to keep they roster winning the CL or break their business model on TV revenues is imperative. And this is even before thinking about reinforcing the squad for the new season.

Bilić can win at home! No more and no less but Chelsea this time!

One more to go Manchester United!

Yesterday I read something about Nemanja Matić and his leading role in rebellion against Jose Mourinho.

Mourinho can't win 5-6 games in row and buy peace at Stamford Bridge. Unfortunately for him, problems just keep raising as the time runs forward.

I guess he has 8 more matches to fix things or he's out. I always see matchday 20 as a crucial time for everyone on the top, i.e. on the bottom of the table.