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Re: European Football

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:51 pm

That would be ridiculous. We lost fair and square, it would be outrageous to now be revived and win it. Plus, a UCL without those 12 teams is worth exactly nothing.
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Re: European Football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:51 pm

MUTU wrote:Obliged hahaha come on they could get a device for like 25 euros, probably less than the monthly subscription fee.

Can you? I know nothing about such devices, probably John Smith from a country village with a population of 300 knows even less. :P
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Re: European Football

Postby MUTU » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:51 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
That would be ridiculous. We lost fair and square, it would be outrageous to now be revived and win it. Plus, a UCL without those 12 teams is worth exactly nothing.

It was a joke...
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Re: European Football

Postby MUTU » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:52 pm

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MUTU wrote:Obliged hahaha come on they could get a device for like 25 euros, probably less than the monthly subscription fee.

Can you? I know nothing about such devices, probably John Smith from a country village with a population of 300 knows even less. :P

What, never seen a smart TV dongle with Android on it?

Another way of seeing it is that they don't need a satellite dish or cable TV and a TV set to watch matches. The entry level in stuff you need to buy in order to watch TV is high as it is.

With Amazon you'd be able to watch matches from your phone or tablet, you don't need a TV.
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Re: European Football

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:53 pm

MUTU wrote:My prediction is that all this is one big bluff to reach a compromise with UEFA to create a European Super League as a division higher to all current top domestic leagues in Europe.

The idea I have is that the Champions League becomes an actual league. Teams participating in it won't play in their domestic league. The worst performing team in every country at the end of the season would play 2 leg playoffs against the domestic league winner to see whether there is promotion/relegation.

Furthermore, the teams that reach the Europa League semifinals would replace the bottom four teams in the new Champions League.

This way, it would still be a UEFA competition with the most elite clubs playing every week, but at the same time still be an open competition based on merit.
This would be the best possible result. It fixes the merit problem while at the same time fixing the broken domestic leagues problem.
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Re: European Football

Postby MUTU » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:57 pm

MUTU wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:
That would be ridiculous. We lost fair and square, it would be outrageous to now be revived and win it. Plus, a UCL without those 12 teams is worth exactly nothing.

It was a joke...
Or maybe not?

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Re: European Football

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:58 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:Kind of unfair for the players though. What happens here, legally? Will they have the right to annul their contracts given changed circumstances?
FIFA and UEFA are the ones infringing on their rights by acting as a cartel and denying them their freedoms of association and labor. FIFA in particular is being extremely coercive by putting their dirty hands on this.
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Re: European Football

Postby MUTU » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:03 pm

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Re: European Football

Postby MUTU » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:06 pm

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:Kind of unfair for the players though. What happens here, legally? Will they have the right to annul their contracts given changed circumstances?
FIFA and UEFA are the ones infringing on their rights by acting as a cartel and denying them their freedoms of association and labor. FIFA in particular is being extremely coercive by putting their dirty hands on this.


How so? UEFA falls under FIFA. ESL does not. If they're not FIFA registered players they cannot, by definition, play in a FIFA tournament.

It's not even a given that it's the same sport. They could adopt slightly different rules should they wish to.
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Re: European Football

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:07 pm

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:Kind of unfair for the players though. What happens here, legally? Will they have the right to annul their contracts given changed circumstances?


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Re: European Football

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:09 pm

fcnrz wrote:Kuddos to us but on the other hand i dont understand why are we sticking with uefa. A corrupted organization who were pushing barca and real year after year f ucking us in the process. An organization who did nothing against psg city and co who spent money they didnt had or against barca real atletico who are over 500 plus mil in depth.
Scheduling NT games just for the greed for money when there is corona
Plus fifa another corrupted organization getting bribes for voting WC hosts etc.

I despise peres agnelli and co but lets not pretend uefa are saints in all of this
You got it all wrong. UEFA did try to punish the oil clubs. Chelski actually had a hurtful transfer ban. Shitty was also going to be banned from the UCL, but they took it to courts and won because, obviously, FFP and this UEFA regulations are ilegal.
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Re: European Football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:09 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
FCBayernMunchen wrote:Kind of unfair for the players though. What happens here, legally? Will they have the right to annul their contracts given changed circumstances?
FIFA and UEFA are the ones infringing on their rights by acting as a cartel and denying them their freedoms of association and labor. FIFA in particular is being extremely coercive by putting their dirty hands on this.

How do you figure? I'd imagine it's perfectly within their rights to decide who gets to play in their competitions (much like the ESL is doing after all). In fact, perhaps the fact that a rival big association is going to pop up weakens that argument because as long as (almost) all football comes under the FIFA banner that might make sense, but once you've got a diverse market, not so much.
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Re: European Football

Postby #12 » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:29 pm

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aterford wrote:Look at a dude like Lewandowski: for him being able to represent his country vs ANDORRA and England was so important that he was willing to risk his club season's success just to be able to do so (not hating on him btw). That's how much representing your country means to him and many players.

Take away the ability for all of these twelve clubs' players to participate in Euros, WC, Copa America, etc and it will crumble, no question. No player is going to throw away their entire NT career for this IMO.
No he didn't. He took a risk. A small risk. He could be injured in literally any game for us, no reason to think Andorra is more dangerous than Bielefeld. If it we're between not playing for Bayern (or any big team ever again) or relinquish international football I'm pretty sure what he would chose.
It’s a very pessimistic view of football players you have if you think most of them don’t dream of the world cup despite saying it all the time.

Clubs can die and new ones take their place. Who were Man City and Chelsea, two of the twelve, 20 years ago?

From a player perspective, it would make little difference whether the elite are gathered in Manchester and London or in Amsterdam and Dortmund. They’re the ones who make the teams great. I find it very hard to believe that they value playing for Real Madrid more than playing in the world cup. But yes, money can play a role, of course, which is why it ultimately comes down to whether they can get a good deal. After all, these clubs are largely in huge debt and they have now cut off a massive income supply.
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Re: European Football

Postby MihailT » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:49 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:That would be ridiculous. We lost fair and square, it would be outrageous to now be revived and win it. Plus, a UCL without those 12 teams is worth exactly nothing.


I agree with you that we've been knocked out as per all the rules, and being reinstated in the competition is unfair.

However, that last statement is a myth at best, which is currently circulated as a defence for the secessionist ECL. So here are the facts:

8 out of those 12 teams (66.6%) have won a total of 0 UCLs in the past 10 years. Furthermore, Arsenal, Tottenham, Atl.Madrid and Manchester C. have never ever won it, period.

Since the introduction of the UCL, Liverpool have skipped more editions than they have taken part in.

Juventus has last lifted the title in the millenium, during which the Crusades took place, Istanbul was Constantinople, humans discovered North and South America as new continents, survived two devastating world wars, put a man on the Moon, and the West defeated the USSR in the Cold War.

Apart from Real Madrid, and Barcelona (which itself became a factor post-2009 due to the emergence of a single generationally exceptional player), there aren't any particularly spectacular teams to speak of. Hamburger and Benfica have as much claim to this "Super League" as half the teams on it. This has nothing to do with quality of football and tradition in the UCL - it's a money grab and attempted revolution.
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Re: European Football

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:50 pm

In entirely different news, Malta to host the Under-19 European championships in 2023.

The last (only?) time we held a tournament was the U-17s in 2014, when one of the star players of the tournament was a certain Renato Sanches.
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