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[2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:00 pm

Paris Saint-Germain F.C. will go through to the semis after 90 minutes
9
39%
Paris Saint-Germain F.C. will go through to the semis after extra time
1
4%
Paris Saint-Germain F.C. will go through to the semis on penalties
0
No votes
Bayern Munich will go through to the semis on penalties
1
4%
Bayern Munich will go through to the semis after extra time
3
13%
Bayern Munich will go through to the semis after 90 minutes
9
39%
 
Total votes : 23

Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby CiriacoS » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:07 pm

aterford wrote:
CiriacoS wrote:
aterford wrote:[quote="Mani"]How much more can we really have depth though? It’s unlucky to have 7 first team players out


Yes. I'll go ahead and say it: We didn't get eliminated because of lack of depth or due to a bad set of summer signings. (Or, at least not the ones who are typically maligned...)

Having Dest instead of Sarr or Pavard wouldn't have changed the outcome.
We didn't lose because we had Costa instead of Perisic.
We didn't lose because Choupo-Moting was our backup CF as opposed to Zirkzee or whatever.

The primary factors in our elimination and/or bad performances this season:

1. Letting Thiago go and failing to adequately replace him (But if we are honest: Every single midfielder we could have purchased would have been a big downgrade, and the one 'replacement' - who would also be a downgrade - never really was given much of a shot, anyways). Thiago was the perfect midfielder to match with the way Flick wants to set up his defense, and there are very few - if any - players available to us who would've fit that role to the degree he did.

2. International break / COVID making players unavailable

3. Lack of defensive organization / continued insistence on starting Alaba in central defense / inflexibility

Ask yourself who we could have reasonably acquired as a backup CF instead of Choupo. Who are they and would they have really changed this tie? Is there some other midfielder who's better than Roca that we could have bought who would have changed things - who is that? Would Dest have changed anything at all? And so on and so forth. Yeah, we botched the summer window, but ultimately that isn't/wasn't a primary factor in why we're out of the UCL now.
It would have changed the outcome massively, if instead of Roca, we had Aouar or Odegaard or de Jong or anyone with the similar level of quality there. Believe me it would have been a massive difference today if we had any one of those instead of Alaba in midfield.

It would have been a massive difference if we had a proper RB today like Cancelo, Lamptey etc.

It would have been a massive difference if instead of Choupo-Moting we had Cavani, Giroud or any other type of solid back-up striker.

So yeah, covid fucked us, but we primarily fucked ourselves up. We lack quality its so obvious.


"Reasonably acquired" is the key here. There was never any chance that we would have ever gotten 99% of those players, regardless of who was in charge.

de Jong just joined Barca the year prior for 90m.
Aouar valued at 50m, no chance. Odegaard 40m rated, and I don't think Madrid would have any interest of selling, esp. not to a direct European rival (and neither are really similar to Thiago, nor are they doing the same things Alaba has been asked to do...)
Cancelo just joined City and is pretty much untouchable now, the only option was maybe a loan for last spring. Lamptey frankly wasn't on anyone's radar until literally the last week of the (late) transfer window and - if you look back at the time - most everyone was saying Brighton's price was too much.
Only perhaps realistic ones there are Cavani and Giroud, but Cavani has a much bigger role at United than Choupo at Bayern (esp. pre-Lewy injury) and Giroud was basically a starter until Tuchel took over.

You see the point, it's as I've said: we could've done better, but most of the players that we could have actually signed last summer probably aren't going to be the game-changers many might have imagined them to be. A window with Sane+(one of Aouar/de Jong/Odegaard)+(one of Cancelo/Lamptey)+(one of Giroud/Cavani)+Nubel, Nianzou, etc was never a possibility for us.[/quote]“Reasonably acquired” is a standard which for Bayern is determined very similarly as if the club was a mid-table Bundesliga club and not a two times treble winner. Are you not able to see that THAT is actually the core of the whole problem for us and the reason why are we are not able to maintain success in Europe?

What is reasonable if you don’t even try? We have not even tried to bring any of these players. Odegaard is reasonable for Arsenal but not for the European champions? Cavani is reasonable for United but not for Bayern. De jong is reasonable for Barca with a 1bn in debts but not for the economically best-run club in Europe?

Dont you see that even we as fans have absolutely lowered all of our expectations. Nothing is reasonable now unless its a free transfer. Its embarassing really.

And then we ask ourseleves yesterday what is the problem. The problem is making the same mistake over and over and over again. At the point of our greatest successes instead investing heavily we just sit back and hope that it will last forever. Same thing was with Roberry era. It had to be that Arjen is 35 years old in order for us to say OK maybe we need a new winger. Same will happen with Lewandowski. Absolutely the same. Flick was the first person to loudly point out this things and will now suffer the consequences.

Its just bullshit dont you see. They want maximum success with minimum efort and profits for the people at the top.
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alexander » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:22 pm

#12 wrote:Well, you’re entitled to your opinion, but as I said in another post, I think we tend to oversee our own luck and focus on the bad luck... Like with RM, our home defeats were all very deserved and could have been worse... Maybe with the exception for Jupp‘s...
We then had lucky games away as well (Ancelotti at RM, wtf was that?) but some claimed it was bad luck solely because of bad refereeing...

As for the high quality players, can you name em? Maybe 12 is harsh, but not more than 14


Which team have more than 14 high quality players? Maybe I overrate our squad but in my opinion we are top three. One of the best keepers, the best midfield duo and the best striker and also player in the world. Add Müller, Sane,Coman,Gnabry, Davies, Hernandez and I believe we are second to none.
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alexander » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:37 pm

With our team at full strength we probably have the following players sitting on the bench: Tolisso, Boateng, Nübel, Musiala, Gnabry/Sane/Coman, Süle and Choupo-Moting. Are there really a lot of teams doing better?
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby #12 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:19 pm

We don’t have "one of the best keepers", that’s blasphemy!

Well, look at the benches of the other teams... (also, I‘m not so sure Goretzka/Kimmich is the best midfield anymore... They’re also responsible for securingdefense, you know?!)

Liverpool had Firmino, Milner, Ox, THIAGO, Adrian, Shaqiri, Davies, Jones, Rhys-Williams and a few others - better depth

RM: Marcelo, Isco, Valverde, Rodrygo and a few others - depth not worse

You saw Paris, and they had it worse than us!

Here‘s Chelsea: Giroud, Caballero, Alonso, Zouma, Ziyech, Werner, Abraham, CHO, Christensen, Kepa, Emerson - insane depth...

We have a very good starting XI - but we can barely substitute without a quality loss...
Tolisso, Süle and EMCM are jokes btw, if it wasn’t for the pandemic I‘d get rid of their asses yesterday along with Sarr, Costa and Roca and sadly Javi...

Also, we‘re losing 3 players in summer, two of which have had vital roles so far, and we‘re replacing them with ONE player as of now...

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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby Mani » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:38 pm

That Liverpool bench doesn’t look that great
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby bmguy » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:39 pm

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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby aterford » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:24 pm

CiriacoS wrote:“Reasonably acquired” is a standard which for Bayern is determined very similarly as if the club was a mid-table Bundesliga club and not a two times treble winner. Are you not able to see that THAT is actually the core of the whole problem for us and the reason why are we are not able to maintain success in Europe?

What is reasonable if you don’t even try? We have not even tried to bring any of these players. Odegaard is reasonable for Arsenal but not for the European champions? Cavani is reasonable for United but not for Bayern. De jong is reasonable for Barca with a 1bn in debts but not for the economically best-run club in Europe?

Dont you see that even we as fans have absolutely lowered all of our expectations. Nothing is reasonable now unless its a free transfer. Its embarassing really.

And then we ask ourseleves yesterday what is the problem. The problem is making the same mistake over and over and over again. At the point of our greatest successes instead investing heavily we just sit back and hope that it will last forever. Same thing was with Roberry era. It had to be that Arjen is 35 years old in order for us to say OK maybe we need a new winger. Same will happen with Lewandowski. Absolutely the same. Flick was the first person to loudly point out this things and will now suffer the consequences.

Its just bullshit dont you see. They want maximum success with minimum efort and profits for the people at the top.


Let's not straw-man. You're getting things mixed up and seem to have only focused on the financial aspect; do go back and re-read and you'll see that's not the only component at all. Reasonably acquired" means not just that it's financially doable, but also that the player would be willing to join, their club would be willing to sell, they would be okay with the role they'd be given here, and so on. If you take nothing else from all this, let it be that it's not just money that determines how likely a transfer is to happen or not. Ability/willingness to pay is certainly a factor, but that's not the end-all, be-all and it's certainly not a guarantee of a transfer going through.

Of course we could have *afforded* Cavani or Giroud or whoever - but that doesn't mean they were ever particularly likely to come to Bayern. Look at the role Cavani and Giroud have/had and compare it to the role Choupo-Moting had at Bayern, pre-Lewy injury (Pre-injury as this is obviously the role Choupo would've initially signed on to). Cavani and Giroud were basically given starter's minutes; that's not the case with Choupo. So it's not just a matter of being able to pay for the player - which we can do - but also about convincing a player who can basically start elsewhere to instead come here and be a player who will primarily only play when Lewy is hurt or needing rested.

And the same is true for many of the other players mentioned.

Odegaard is on loan at Arsenal, no? He's still under contract with Real Madrid. I guess we could have taken him on loan, but is that in Madrid's best interests? As we know, a big incentive for sending a player out on loan is either a.) for that player's development or b.) getting the player's wages off the books (usually ahead of a sale). Odegaard wouldn't start ahead of Muller/Goretzka/Kimmich while he's essentially been a starter at Arsenal. Look at it from Madrid's perspective - if you're wanting to develop a player, would you rather send him to a club where he's ostensibly a starter or send him to a club where he's 3rd-choice in midfield? And similar for Aouar: He starts at Lyon. Even if we were to pay some 50m for him, would he want to leave a starting role for a rotation one? Again: not just a matter of money.

de Jong is probably a financial one, but I'd be *awfully* hesitant to essentially reduce it to "Barca did it so why couldn't/shouldn't we?" Barca are in a terrible financial situation precisely because of situations like this. We are the best-run club in Europe because we don't get in those situations. It's not that complicated. We should also keep in mind that de Jong moved to Barca in 2019, not 2020, so that doesn't really have any bearing on last summer in the first place (unless you really expected us to try and buy a 90m player who just moved a year ago and is under contract until 2026, then I don't know what to tell you)

If you are bored you can always take a few minutes to go back through my post history and you'll see that I've criticized the board's approach to transfers, how our reluctance to take on any debt serves to set us back at times, and how we are often too risk-averse, and so on - might be worth looking into before projecting this "lowered all expectations, nothing is reasonable unless it's free" onto me. Even with all that said, your proposed transfer window would've cost us probably 120m on the low end and closer to 200m on the high end. That was never going to happen, it would have literally been like the second or third most costly window in Europe, lol.

Like I said, I've had my fair share of complaints about our transfer policy, but this isn't FIFA and expecting any club to operate like it is will always set you up for disappointment. We sure could've done better than Roca, Sarr, Choupo, Costa, but de Jong, Cancelo, Cavani, etc was always a pipe dream.
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby PunkCapitalist » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:00 pm

#12 wrote:We don’t have "one of the best keepers", that’s blasphemy!

Well, look at the benches of the other teams... (also, I‘m not so sure Goretzka/Kimmich is the best midfield anymore... They’re also responsible for securingdefense, you know?!)

Liverpool had Firmino, Milner, Ox, THIAGO, Adrian, Shaqiri, Davies, Jones, Rhys-Williams and a few others - better depth

RM: Marcelo, Isco, Valverde, Rodrygo and a few others - depth not worse

You saw Paris, and they had it worse than us!

Here‘s Chelsea: Giroud, Caballero, Alonso, Zouma, Ziyech, Werner, Abraham, CHO, Christensen, Kepa, Emerson - insane depth...

We have a very good starting XI - but we can barely substitute without a quality loss...
Tolisso, Süle and EMCM are jokes btw, if it wasn’t for the pandemic I‘d get rid of their asses yesterday along with Sarr, Costa and Roca and sadly Javi...

Also, we‘re losing 3 players in summer, two of which have had vital roles so far, and we‘re replacing them with ONE player as of now...

Let

that

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The only bench that is more convincing than Bayern's is Chelsea. That being said... Pretty much all out players play for their NTs + Flick dropped the ball by not rotating at all (for instance, never giving minutes to Roca, if anything just to keep Kimmich and Goretzka fresh...). That probably played a big role in our current injury crisis and in the fact that players are just too tired. With the packed schedule, this was not a season to play heavy metal football, sadly, and much less if you're not going to use the actual rotation options you do have...
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alexander » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:08 pm

#12 wrote:We don’t have "one of the best keepers", that’s blasphemy!

Well, look at the benches of the other teams... (also, I‘m not so sure Goretzka/Kimmich is the best midfield anymore... They’re also responsible for securingdefense, you know?!)

Liverpool had Firmino, Milner, Ox, THIAGO, Adrian, Shaqiri, Davies, Jones, Rhys-Williams and a few others - better depth

RM: Marcelo, Isco, Valverde, Rodrygo and a few others - depth not worse

You saw Paris, and they had it worse than us!

Here‘s Chelsea: Giroud, Caballero, Alonso, Zouma, Ziyech, Werner, Abraham, CHO, Christensen, Kepa, Emerson - insane depth...

We have a very good starting XI - but we can barely substitute without a quality loss...
Tolisso, Süle and EMCM are jokes btw, if it wasn’t for the pandemic I‘d get rid of their asses yesterday along with Sarr, Costa and Roca and sadly Javi...

Also, we‘re losing 3 players in summer, two of which have had vital roles so far, and we‘re replacing them with ONE player as of now...

Let

that

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We have to agree to disagree. In my world Shaqiri, Jones,Rhys-Williams,Milner etc aren`t exactly worldbeaters. And I can`t see how Zouma,CHO, Christensen and Emerson are so much better than what we have. Is your point that we would have progressed with their benches instead of ours? Remember to take out the injuries.
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alexander » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:23 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
#12 wrote:We don’t have "one of the best keepers", that’s blasphemy!

Well, look at the benches of the other teams... (also, I‘m not so sure Goretzka/Kimmich is the best midfield anymore... They’re also responsible for securingdefense, you know?!)

Liverpool had Firmino, Milner, Ox, THIAGO, Adrian, Shaqiri, Davies, Jones, Rhys-Williams and a few others - better depth

RM: Marcelo, Isco, Valverde, Rodrygo and a few others - depth not worse

You saw Paris, and they had it worse than us!

Here‘s Chelsea: Giroud, Caballero, Alonso, Zouma, Ziyech, Werner, Abraham, CHO, Christensen, Kepa, Emerson - insane depth...

We have a very good starting XI - but we can barely substitute without a quality loss...
Tolisso, Süle and EMCM are jokes btw, if it wasn’t for the pandemic I‘d get rid of their asses yesterday along with Sarr, Costa and Roca and sadly Javi...

Also, we‘re losing 3 players in summer, two of which have had vital roles so far, and we‘re replacing them with ONE player as of now...

Let

that

sink

in

...
The only bench that is more convincing than Bayern's is Chelsea. That being said... Pretty much all out players play for their NTs + Flick dropped the ball by not rotating at all (for instance, never giving minutes to Roca, if anything just to keep Kimmich and Goretzka fresh...). That probably played a big role in our current injury crisis and in the fact that players are just too tired. With the packed schedule, this was not a season to play heavy metal football, sadly, and much less if you're not going to use the actual rotation options you do have...


Maybe I am overrating our beloved team but I think some do the opposite. If we look at Man City and their defenders you find Ake,Laporte,Stones,Dias, Zinchenko,Cancelo,Walker and Mendy. Is that something to be jealous about? Not in my world. And who would trade Lewandowski for Aguero/Jesus?
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby Alexander » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:24 pm

#12 wrote:We don’t have "one of the best keepers", that’s blasphemy!

Well, look at the benches of the other teams... (also, I‘m not so sure Goretzka/Kimmich is the best midfield anymore... They’re also responsible for securingdefense, you know?!)

Liverpool had Firmino, Milner, Ox, THIAGO, Adrian, Shaqiri, Davies, Jones, Rhys-Williams and a few others - better depth

RM: Marcelo, Isco, Valverde, Rodrygo and a few others - depth not worse

You saw Paris, and they had it worse than us!

Here‘s Chelsea: Giroud, Caballero, Alonso, Zouma, Ziyech, Werner, Abraham, CHO, Christensen, Kepa, Emerson - insane depth...

We have a very good starting XI - but we can barely substitute without a quality loss...
Tolisso, Süle and EMCM are jokes btw, if it wasn’t for the pandemic I‘d get rid of their asses yesterday along with Sarr, Costa and Roca and sadly Javi...

Also, we‘re losing 3 players in summer, two of which have had vital roles so far, and we‘re replacing them with ONE player as of now...

Let

that

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Which realistic alternatives do you see joining us for being benchplayers?
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby MUTU » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:20 pm

#12 wrote:We don’t have "one of the best keepers", that’s blasphemy!

Well, look at the benches of the other teams... (also, I‘m not so sure Goretzka/Kimmich is the best midfield anymore... They’re also responsible for securingdefense, you know?!)

Liverpool had Firmino, Milner, Ox, THIAGO, Adrian, Shaqiri, Davies, Jones, Rhys-Williams and a few others - better depth

RM: Marcelo, Isco, Valverde, Rodrygo and a few others - depth not worse

You saw Paris, and they had it worse than us!

Here‘s Chelsea: Giroud, Caballero, Alonso, Zouma, Ziyech, Werner, Abraham, CHO, Christensen, Kepa, Emerson - insane depth...

We have a very good starting XI - but we can barely substitute without a quality loss...
Tolisso, Süle and EMCM are jokes btw, if it wasn’t for the pandemic I‘d get rid of their asses yesterday along with Sarr, Costa and Roca and sadly Javi...

Also, we‘re losing 3 players in summer, two of which have had vital roles so far, and we‘re replacing them with ONE player as of now...

Let

that

sink

in

...

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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby aterford » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:24 pm

Have to consider not just the benches, but also the starting XI's...The only reason our bench was made into a big concern is because of the number/quality of injuries we had. None of those benches would look nearly as good if they had half those players forced into the starting XI due to injury, like we did.

Look at it like this - here are the players we currently have out - by minutes/scoring:
Lewandowski - our leading scorer
Goretzka - our #2 starting midfielder, highest-scoring midfielder, and #5 scorer overall
Sule - Our #2/#3 CB, roughly on par with Boateng
Gnabry - #2 starting winger (less total minutes than Sane/Coman, more starts)
Tolisso - #3 midfielder
Costa - #4 winger
Hoffmann - #3 goalkeeper

If we were to apply the same injuries to other teams (again, by minutes/scoring), you'd roughly have the following players out hurt:

Chelsea would be missing Abraham, Kante, Silva, Werner, Jorginho, Ziyech, Caballero
City would be missing Gundogan, Foden, Mahrez, Laporte, Torres, Fernandinho, Carson
Dortmund would be missing Haaland, Sancho, Bellingham, Can, Delaney, Brandt, Unbehaun
Real Madrid would be missing Benzema, Modric, Ramos, Asensio, Valverde, Rodrygo, Altube
Liverpool would be missing Salah, Fabinho, Mane, Phillips, Henderson, Shaqiri, Kelleher
PSG would be missing Mbappe, Herrera, Di Maria, Diallo, Gueye, Draxler, Bulka

Now compare that to their most recent UCL starting XI/bench, fill in the spots, and look at what those benches would look like once you've taken all that into account....it's equally frightening for all of them, pretty much.
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby America USA » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:45 pm

aterford wrote:Have to consider not just the benches, but also the starting XI's...The only reason our bench was made into a big concern is because of the number/quality of injuries we had. None of those benches would look nearly as good if they had half those players forced into the starting XI due to injury, like we did.

Look at it like this - here are the players we currently have out - by minutes/scoring:
Lewandowski - our leading scorer
Goretzka - our #2 starting midfielder, highest-scoring midfielder, and #5 scorer overall
Sule - Our #2/#3 CB, roughly on par with Boateng
Gnabry - #2 starting winger (less total minutes than Sane/Coman, more starts)
Tolisso - #3 midfielder
Costa - #4 winger
Hoffmann - #3 goalkeeper

If we were to apply the same injuries to other teams (again, by minutes/scoring), you'd roughly have the following players out hurt:

Chelsea would be missing Abraham, Kante, Silva, Werner, Jorginho, Ziyech, Caballero
City would be missing Gundogan, Foden, Mahrez, Laporte, Torres, Fernandinho, Carson
Dortmund would be missing Haaland, Sancho, Bellingham, Can, Delaney, Brandt, Unbehaun
Real Madrid would be missing Benzema, Modric, Ramos, Asensio, Valverde, Rodrygo, Altube
Liverpool would be missing Salah, Fabinho, Mane, Phillips, Henderson, Shaqiri, Kelleher
PSG would be missing Mbappe, Herrera, Di Maria, Diallo, Gueye, Draxler, Bulka

Now compare that to their most recent UCL starting XI/bench, fill in the spots, and look at what those benches would look like once you've taken all that into account....it's equally frightening for all of them, pretty much.

That's why in the wish list thread I am calling for a bigger packed squad. Players like Isco, Mertens, Modric, Chiellini, Perisic and Depay not only bring bodies but also capabilities that will be vital when eventually Bayern has another crisis next year in March/April/May. All of these guys are either available for free or just have a year left on their contract plus joining a genuine European contender should be an exciting project for all the names I've mentioned.
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Re: [2021-04-13] PSG vs Bayern Munich

Postby PunkCapitalist » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:52 pm

Alexander wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:
#12 wrote:We don’t have "one of the best keepers", that’s blasphemy!

Well, look at the benches of the other teams... (also, I‘m not so sure Goretzka/Kimmich is the best midfield anymore... They’re also responsible for securingdefense, you know?!)

Liverpool had Firmino, Milner, Ox, THIAGO, Adrian, Shaqiri, Davies, Jones, Rhys-Williams and a few others - better depth

RM: Marcelo, Isco, Valverde, Rodrygo and a few others - depth not worse

You saw Paris, and they had it worse than us!

Here‘s Chelsea: Giroud, Caballero, Alonso, Zouma, Ziyech, Werner, Abraham, CHO, Christensen, Kepa, Emerson - insane depth...

We have a very good starting XI - but we can barely substitute without a quality loss...
Tolisso, Süle and EMCM are jokes btw, if it wasn’t for the pandemic I‘d get rid of their asses yesterday along with Sarr, Costa and Roca and sadly Javi...

Also, we‘re losing 3 players in summer, two of which have had vital roles so far, and we‘re replacing them with ONE player as of now...

Let

that

sink

in

...
The only bench that is more convincing than Bayern's is Chelsea. That being said... Pretty much all out players play for their NTs + Flick dropped the ball by not rotating at all (for instance, never giving minutes to Roca, if anything just to keep Kimmich and Goretzka fresh...). That probably played a big role in our current injury crisis and in the fact that players are just too tired. With the packed schedule, this was not a season to play heavy metal football, sadly, and much less if you're not going to use the actual rotation options you do have...


Maybe I am overrating our beloved team but I think some do the opposite. If we look at Man City and their defenders you find Ake,Laporte,Stones,Dias, Zinchenko,Cancelo,Walker and Mendy. Is that something to be jealous about? Not in my world. And who would trade Lewandowski for Aguero/Jesus?
I said *the bench*. I meant substitutes.
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