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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby T4L10N » Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:42 am



People should know that we are the second greatest club of all time :coffee:
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby #12 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:17 am

T4L10N wrote:


People should know that we are the second greatest club of all time :coffee:
Not really, depending in your understanding of the table…
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby MihailT » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:37 am

#12 wrote:Not really, depending in your understanding of the table…


What do you mean? We're right behind Real on every metric except finals won, where we're tied third. What's your understanding of the table?
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2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby #12 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:08 am

MihailT wrote:
#12 wrote:Not really, depending in your understanding of the table…


What do you mean? We're right behind Real on every metric except finals won, where we're tied third. What's your understanding of the table?
It’s not mine it’s just that you could read it in different ways… If you put points per match, fir example, without checking I‘d assume we‘d even be ahead of RM…
While Milan have more trophies with about 1/4 less participations… And so on…

Personally, I think the most accurate is an average, but it should probably read like the medal count at the Olympics, where less valuable metrics become relevant tie breakers later on…

Which would still put us in a very good spot… But not second… YET!
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:15 am

#12 is right, although the way I read it still has us in second. Real have had significantly more games than the closest teams. Without actually working it out it looks like if we take a win ratio for the top 5, Barca would be first and us second.
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby T4L10N » Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:33 am

No matter how you look at it RM is undisputed the greatest club ever, with us, MIlan, Liverpool and Barca all in contention for the second place to be honest.

Its just, Barca were non-existent before 06, while MIlan had too few periods of domination (even though they got 1 more CL title than us and fantastic h2h record).

I think if we win 2 more before Milan gets 1, we gonna be undisputed second (given Barca and LFC dont win more than us before that)
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby T4L10N » Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:45 am

#12 wrote: It’s not mine it’s just that you could read it in different ways… If you put points per match, fir example, without checking I‘d assume we‘d even be ahead of RM…
While Milan have more trophies with about 1/4 less participations… And so on…

Personally, I think the most accurate is an average, but it should probably read like the medal count at the Olympics, where less valuable metrics become relevant tie breakers later on…

Which would still put us in a very good spot… But not second… YET!


I disagree re points per match, its even worse than taking h2h stats as the indicator for the club ranking. It strongly favors the clubs which were non-existent before Champions League was created (I mean those who regularly participated in Champions Cup tournaments usually have worse stats).
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Hardrade » Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:49 am

#12 wrote:
MihailT wrote:
#12 wrote:Not really, depending in your understanding of the table…


What do you mean? We're right behind Real on every metric except finals won, where we're tied third. What's your understanding of the table?
It’s not mine it’s just that you could read it in different ways… If you put points per match, fir example, without checking I‘d assume we‘d even be ahead of RM…
While Milan have more trophies with about 1/4 less participations… And so on…

Personally, I think the most accurate is an average, but it should probably read like the medal count at the Olympics, where less valuable metrics become relevant tie breakers later on…

Which would still put us in a very good spot… But not second… YET!


Bayern is second in Points per match at 1.98, just behind Barcelona’s 1.99. Third place goes to Real at 1.96.
The remainder all have below 1.90 ppm.
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:13 pm

Without looking at the stats...
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby #12 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:48 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Without looking at the stats...
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AC Milan #2
FC Bayern #3
Still debatable… Liverpool won their 6th before we did…

(Again, please no antagonism, I don’t necessarily agree with all if these possibilities, but they‘re legit…)
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Hardrade » Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:38 pm

#12 wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Without looking at the stats...
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Real is #1
AC Milan #2
FC Bayern #3


Still debatable… Liverpool won their 6th before we did…


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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby #12 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:01 pm

Hardrade wrote:
#12 wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Without looking at the stats...
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AC Milan #2
FC Bayern #3


Still debatable… Liverpool won their 6th before we did…


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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Hardrade » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:54 pm

No, I’m not contesting the fact that Liverpool won it earlier.

But Liverpool was founded 8 years before FCB so one could argue that we achieved the same in less time. Also, the air was 40% more humid in 2020 final than in 2019 final so one could also argue that out players won their sixth title in worse conditions… See? One can go to great lengths of bullshittery if they are willing to project own bitterness on the club. Without any provocation whatsoever. Then again, any stat that displays Bayern in good light is a provocation enough, right?
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby #12 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:05 pm

Hardrade wrote:No, I’m not contesting the fact that Liverpool won it earlier.

But Liverpool was founded 8 years before FCB so one could argue that we achieved the same in less time. Also, the air was 40% more humid in 2020 final than in 2019 final so one could also argue that out players won their sixth title in worse conditions… See? One can go to great lengths of bullshittery if they are willing to project own bitterness on the club. Without any provocation whatsoever. Then again, any stat that displays Bayern in good light is a provocation enough, right?
Or maybe, just MAYBE, you stop your own bullshitting - and throwing shit and dirt - and take into account what I wrote and not whatever you want to put in my mouth - while being selective on top of that…
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Re: 2021/22 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby MUTU » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:09 pm

#12 wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Without looking at the stats...
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Real is #1
AC Milan #2
FC Bayern #3
Still debatable… Liverpool won their 6th before we did…

(Again, please no antagonism, I don’t necessarily agree with all if these possibilities, but they‘re legit…)

Which means we've been the best more recently.
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