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2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

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How will Bayern do in the 2020/21 Champions League?

Only reach the Quarter-Finals
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11%
Only reach the Semi-Finals
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Reach the Finals and Win
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Reach the Finals but Lose
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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby #12 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:10 pm

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zozon wrote:[quote="sobuj"]Damn halland is just amazing. Bayern should do anything to sign him like a swap deal plus cash with lewa. He has that spark that only great players possess like mbappe.


Sorry, this has got to be the most stupid post written in here.
And I've seen plenty of contenders for that spot.

Lewandowski is 32 right. Average player peaks between the ages of 25 and 27. Halland is only 20. How long lewa can play at this level? Soon when Bayern needs replacement he will be gone and that will be a real smart move lol :roll:


Your posts are based on two things you dont really know:

- You dont know how long Lewa can keep up being the best striker in the WORLD.
- You dont know if Haaland can and will keep up with his numbers.
- You dont know if Haaland (and his agent) even want him to stay in Germany after Dortmund.

Suggesting to swap Robert Lewandowski for anyone in the world is pretty stupid, sorry.
It is ridiculous and utterly without logic or common sense.
Any top club would want Lewandowski in their ranks OVER Haaland as we speak, no matter his age or Haaland's age.

Bayern will need replacements for everybody at some time in the future. You cant just go around and suggest ridiculous things, not especially a swap deal (PLUS CASH, lol) for a player that WAS the best player last season and still is the BEST in this current season.[/quote]In 18 months, no, it‘s not stupid... You will get an almost like for like replacement with potentially 10+ years at that level... While even the greatest optimist knows, Lewandowski will not keep this up for 4 or 5 years... And your claim is still very much debatable...
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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:13 pm

zozon wrote:
sobuj wrote:
zozon wrote:[quote="sobuj"]Damn halland is just amazing. Bayern should do anything to sign him like a swap deal plus cash with lewa. He has that spark that only great players possess like mbappe.


Sorry, this has got to be the most stupid post written in here.
And I've seen plenty of contenders for that spot.

Lewandowski is 32 right. Average player peaks between the ages of 25 and 27. Halland is only 20. How long lewa can play at this level? Soon when Bayern needs replacement he will be gone and that will be a real smart move lol :roll:


Your posts are based on two things you dont really know:

- You dont know how long Lewa can keep up being the best striker in the WORLD.
- You dont know if Haaland can and will keep up with his numbers.
- You dont know if Haaland (and his agent) even want him to stay in Germany after Dortmund.

Suggesting to swap Robert Lewandowski for anyone in the world is pretty stupid, sorry.
It is ridiculous and utterly without logic or common sense.
Any top club would want Lewandowski in their ranks OVER Haaland as we speak, no matter his age or Haaland's age.

Bayern will need replacements for everybody at some time in the future. You cant just go around and suggest ridiculous things, not especially a swap deal (PLUS CASH, lol) for a player that WAS the best player last season and still is the BEST in this current season.[/quote]It is not stupid at all.

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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:19 pm

zozon wrote:
sobuj wrote:Damn halland is just amazing. Bayern should do anything to sign him like a swap deal plus cash with lewa. He has that spark that only great players possess like mbappe.


Sorry, this has got to be the most stupid post written in here.
And I've seen plenty of contenders for that spot.

When he was Haaland's age, Lewandowski did not play in the CL.

Haaland is currently at 1.64 CL goals per 90 minutes, greater than the peak of any player in football history. Even if he doesn't improve at all, he will go down as by far the greatest of all time.

No way is Lewandowski anywhere close, or ever was close, to what Haaland is now. And this is not a take on Lewandowski: not even Messi or Ronaldo were ever at this level. Or Gerd Mueller. Or Mario Gomez. Or anyone you like.

To put it in perspective, Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe and Thomas Mueller COMBINED when they were Haaland's age still had a lower G/90 than Haaland. Their total would be 1.49 goals combined which falls short of Haaland's 1.64 all on his own and with arguably weaker teammates.
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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby Fénix » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:26 pm

MUTU wrote:
zozon wrote:
sobuj wrote:Damn halland is just amazing. Bayern should do anything to sign him like a swap deal plus cash with lewa. He has that spark that only great players possess like mbappe.


Sorry, this has got to be the most stupid post written in here.
And I've seen plenty of contenders for that spot.

When he was Haaland's age, Lewandowski did not play in the CL.

Haaland is currently at 1.64 CL goals per 90 minutes, greater than the peak of any player in football history. Even if he doesn't improve at all, he will go down as by far the greatest of all time.

No way is Lewandowski anywhere close, or ever was close, to what Haaland is now.

You don't even need stats to see how powerful and dominating Haaland is before age 24. Just watch what he does alone on the pitch. He is a monster, fast as Davies, lethal in front of the goal, great body balance, agility, plays with both feet, still has a lot to show, improve, develop...
Lives football non-stop and that's why he is so special.

And Lewy still had some serious issues as striker in 2014/2015 when he joined us, aged 25-26. Lewy has improved season after season, but at BVB and earlier - he was nothing special. Haaland is already at the level where Lewy was in 2015.

We have a word in South Slavic languages - "probisvijet". Nobody believed in him, saw something special in him, but he worked real hard, never gave up and it paid off to him and still pays off.

We can't say for any of them that are bad, let's just keep that in mind. The main 'problem' is, we live in era where 2 strikers don't play together in 80% of clubs.

If we were playing with 2 strikers, Lewy and Haaland are must.
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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:30 pm

The moment Lewandowski starts scoring against every single CL opponent and scores at a ratio of 1.64 goals per 90 mins played, then we can start comparing him to Haaland. Right now they are worlds apart.

If Haaland played for a Premier League club or a top Spanish club, there is no doubt he would be winning the Ballon d'Or and FIFA Best Man awards, and it wouldn't be close.
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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:36 pm

Fénix wrote:
MUTU wrote:
zozon wrote:[quote="sobuj"]Damn halland is just amazing. Bayern should do anything to sign him like a swap deal plus cash with lewa. He has that spark that only great players possess like mbappe.


Sorry, this has got to be the most stupid post written in here.
And I've seen plenty of contenders for that spot.

When he was Haaland's age, Lewandowski did not play in the CL.

Haaland is currently at 1.64 CL goals per 90 minutes, greater than the peak of any player in football history. Even if he doesn't improve at all, he will go down as by far the greatest of all time.

No way is Lewandowski anywhere close, or ever was close, to what Haaland is now.

You don't even need stats to see how powerful and dominating Haaland is before age 24. And Lewy still had some serious issues as striker in 2014/2015 when he joined us. Lewy has improved season after season, but at BVB and earlier - he was nothing special.

We have a word in South Slavic languages - "probisvijet". Nobody believed in him, saw something special in him, but he worked real hard, never gave up and it paid off to him and still pays off.[/quote]He was nothing special at BVB? Wtf? He was the most desired striker in the world when we got him for a reason. He was already well known to be a top 3 striker by then.

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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:37 pm

MUTU wrote:The moment Lewandowski starts scoring against every single CL opponent and scores at a ratio of 1.64 goals per 90 mins played, then we can start comparing him to Haaland. Right now they are worlds apart.

If Haaland played for a Premier League club or a top Spanish club, there is no doubt he would be winning the Ballon d'Or and FIFA Best Man awards, and it wouldn't be close.
We have to wait and see how those numbers settle as games accumulate, but Haaland certainly has some crazy numbers on his back, and swapping Lewy for him would certainly not be stupid AT ALL.

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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:43 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
MUTU wrote:The moment Lewandowski starts scoring against every single CL opponent and scores at a ratio of 1.64 goals per 90 mins played, then we can start comparing him to Haaland. Right now they are worlds apart.

If Haaland played for a Premier League club or a top Spanish club, there is no doubt he would be winning the Ballon d'Or and FIFA Best Man awards, and it wouldn't be close.
We have to wait and see how those numbers settle as games accumulate, but Haaland certainly has some crazy numbers on his back, and swapping Lewy for him would certainly not be stupid AT ALL.

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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:51 pm

The World is already forgetting Messi and Ronaldo...

Replaced by Mbappe and Haaland imo the perfect couple
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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby sobuj » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:30 pm

zozon wrote:Your posts are based on two things you dont really know:

- You dont know how long Lewa can keep up being the best striker in the WORLD.
- You dont know if Haaland can and will keep up with his numbers.
- You dont know if Haaland (and his agent) even want him to stay in Germany after Dortmund.

Suggesting to swap Robert Lewandowski for anyone in the world is pretty stupid, sorry.
It is ridiculous and utterly without logic or common sense.
Any top club would want Lewandowski in their ranks OVER Haaland as we speak, no matter his age or Haaland's age.

Bayern will need replacements for everybody at some time in the future. You cant just go around and suggest ridiculous things, not especially a swap deal (PLUS CASH, lol) for a player that WAS the best player last season and still is the BEST in this current season.

Lewa best player in world huh? Do you know his current market value? that delusion though :lol: it's your opinion dude and it's pathetic.
Mbappe is the best player in the world and youth is what makes the difference not 32 plus players, look at what mbappe did against former best player in the world.
You are a former pep fanboy I don't expect you to understand lol.
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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:34 pm

MUTU wrote:The moment Lewandowski starts scoring against every single CL opponent and scores at a ratio of 1.64 goals per 90 mins played, then we can start comparing him to Haaland. Right now they are worlds apart.

If Haaland played for a Premier League club or a top Spanish club, there is no doubt he would be winning the Ballon d'Or and FIFA Best Man awards, and it wouldn't be close.
Well, no. If he played for a Premier League club, there’s no guarantee he’d have those stats. We’ve seen it happen over and over.

I have criticised Lewa a lot over the years and I also still think he misses too many easy chances, but come on. This guy has been doing unparalleled things for the past 2 seasons. We know he works for us. There’s no risk of him being a flop. And we want to trade him with Haaland?

How about looking at a larger sample? Haaland has never outscored Lewandowski in the Bundesliga. Lewandowski also has twice as many assists, almost twice as many goals this Bundesliga season. He’s the only one averaging more than one goal per game and has a better goal conversion rate than Haaland or anyone else with 10+ goals except Muller.

Replacing Lewandowski with Haaland in 2023 (probably having signed him already in 2022) would be the DREAM. But doing so now does not make sense imo.
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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:54 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:
MUTU wrote:The moment Lewandowski starts scoring against every single CL opponent and scores at a ratio of 1.64 goals per 90 mins played, then we can start comparing him to Haaland. Right now they are worlds apart.

If Haaland played for a Premier League club or a top Spanish club, there is no doubt he would be winning the Ballon d'Or and FIFA Best Man awards, and it wouldn't be close.
Well, no. If he played for a Premier League club, there’s no guarantee he’d have those stats. We’ve seen it happen over and over.

I have criticised Lewa a lot over the years and I also still think he misses too many easy chances, but come on. This guy has been doing unparalleled things for the past 2 seasons. We know he works for us. There’s no risk of him being a flop. And we want to trade him with Haaland?

How about looking at a larger sample? Haaland has never outscored Lewandowski in the Bundesliga. Lewandowski also has twice as many assists, almost twice as many goals this Bundesliga season. He’s the only one averaging more than one goal per game and has a better goal conversion rate than Haaland or anyone else with 10+ goals except Muller.

Replacing Lewandowski with Haaland in 2023 (probably having signed him already in 2022) would be the DREAM. But doing so now does not make sense imo.
How many more years do you think it's reasonable to expect Lewy to remain superior to Haaland? He is turning 33 this year and will be 34 next. Replacing him next on the summer of 2022 is more than reasonable. Expecting him to remain at his current level indefinitely is more than unreasonable.

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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:56 pm

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:
MUTU wrote:The moment Lewandowski starts scoring against every single CL opponent and scores at a ratio of 1.64 goals per 90 mins played, then we can start comparing him to Haaland. Right now they are worlds apart.

If Haaland played for a Premier League club or a top Spanish club, there is no doubt he would be winning the Ballon d'Or and FIFA Best Man awards, and it wouldn't be close.
Well, no. If he played for a Premier League club, there’s no guarantee he’d have those stats. We’ve seen it happen over and over.

I have criticised Lewa a lot over the years and I also still think he misses too many easy chances, but come on. This guy has been doing unparalleled things for the past 2 seasons. We know he works for us. There’s no risk of him being a flop. And we want to trade him with Haaland?

How about looking at a larger sample? Haaland has never outscored Lewandowski in the Bundesliga. Lewandowski also has twice as many assists, almost twice as many goals this Bundesliga season. He’s the only one averaging more than one goal per game and has a better goal conversion rate than Haaland or anyone else with 10+ goals except Muller.

Replacing Lewandowski with Haaland in 2023 (probably having signed him already in 2022) would be the DREAM. But doing so now does not make sense imo.
How many more years do you think it's reasonable to expect Lewy to remain superior to Haaland? He is turning 33 this year and will be 34 next. Replacing him next on the summer of 2022 is more than reasonable. Expecting him to remain at his current level indefinitely is more than unreasonable.

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As I said, I would take him in 2022 and let Lewa go in 2023 unless Lewa pulls off an Ibrahimovic. He’s not slowing down after all so far.

But this summer is wayyyy too early and we should not let Lewa go when he is still on top of the world just to sign Haaland.
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Re: 2020/21 UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread

Postby zozon » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:07 pm

MUTU wrote:When he was Haaland's age, Lewandowski did not play in the CL.

Haaland is currently at 1.64 CL goals per 90 minutes, greater than the peak of any player in football history. Even if he doesn't improve at all, he will go down as by far the greatest of all time.

No way is Lewandowski anywhere close, or ever was close, to what Haaland is now. And this is not a take on Lewandowski: not even Messi or Ronaldo were ever at this level. Or Gerd Mueller. Or Mario Gomez. Or anyone you like.

To put it in perspective, Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe and Thomas Mueller COMBINED when they were Haaland's age still had a lower G/90 than Haaland. Their total would be 1.49 goals combined which falls short of Haaland's 1.64 all on his own and with arguably weaker teammates.


Basically, you are saying that Haaland is a better footballer than Lewandowski?

Yes or no?
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